Avaric3

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i was wondering how difficult it is to install a set of bbk shorty headers vs pacesetter longtubes? i know that for a longtube install, some things need to be moved in order to slide them in but is it the same for shorties or can they just slip right in without removing things to clear the area?

Reason im asking is i already have a set of bbk shorties lying around for my 98 z/28 so id prefer to just install these but if the install is just as difficult, maybe id go for longtubes anyways. The hp gains arent really a huge concern to me fwiw

redtan

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It's significantly easier to do shorties than long tubes...not that long tubes are THAT hard to do, just that shorties are a breeze compared.

A drunk retarded monkey with one arm could install shorties on a car in an hour or two.

transamtom

iTrader: (8)

But are the gains(if any) worth it?

Get some long tubes and sell the shorties to someone in Cali.

redtan

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That idk, depending on the individual doing such upgrade. Only he/she can tell you if the $ spent on shorties is worth x amount of hp gained.

Me personally, I have LTs.

Avaric3

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damn, ill prob need at least 4 hours then lol but really, im on a very tight budget and already have the shorties so im gonna just stick wit them. is there a write-up or is it simply unbolt y, slide out old headers, slide in new ones, reassemble?

redtan

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That's it basically, but with the stock Y you're probably not going to see more than a few hp gain. Might as well sell those and use that money to save up towards something better.

jimmyblue

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I went "backwards" from long tubes (Jet-Hot) to shorties
(JBA) and the shorties going in was less grief than the longs
coming out. Got it done on my pedestals, Rhino ramps would
have been too low. Car feels the same but runs cleaner in
closed loop. The absence of performance loss may be due
to how sucky the Jet-Hot Y-pipe merge is. Or that when
I'm on it, it's singing at >5000RPM where long tubes don't
really help build out torque all that much.

I like the construction of the JBAs, right down to the baby
velocity spike. But there are some craptastic shorties out
there for cheap, which you're best off not considering. I'm
talking stuff like a 1/2" lip on the ID of the outlet flange,
for some sweet close-in turbulent exhaust gas stack-up.
And the "stainless" is either not, or the kind that rusts just
like mild steel if you leave it in the shed. If it's selling for
under $100, new, there's a good chance it's that garbage.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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i wouldnt bother with shorties.


if i was good with cars id help cuz im close but i suck lol.

Avaric3

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lol im just as educated in workin on cars lol im somewut mechanically inclined tho so i can follow tutorials and write-ups pretty well at least

LT1559

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I would do longtubes. The first time I ever did longtubes was on my LT1! that was a freakin nightmare. I have to admit..it took me a few days to finish, and when i got my ls1 i was so happy because it only took me about 5 hours. Well worth the time and effort though.

bww3588

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If your not concerned about performance, why even bother? Neither option is easier than leaving the stock manifolds in place.

Avaric3

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i already have them and resale is next to nothing anyways

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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im sure someone in cal. or with an FI setup might buy them.

ebby69k

I agree, LT's are not much more work just a little more money. I picked up a set of BBK ceramics for $425 total. Install was not to bad. Same amount of work in my opinion. Also did the poly motor mounts. That was the hard part.I definately feel the dif.