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Old 07-09-2016, 09:02 PM
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car was running crappy so I pulled plugs and found them all black with carbon and oil really bad. 1 plug had no gap, and appeared to bent closed some how. I personally gapped these plugs last year and made sure it was done properly and check mutiple times before installing. if i recall it was at gapped 40 or 42. why would it be Bent , and am I correct on the gap? also , what could the oil be from? rings, valve seals, intake or bad pcv? BTW it's a heads/ cam car, heads are milled to 61cc .040 gasked so compression is higher. plugs are ngk tr7 ix. thanks
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Pictures would help! How many miles since you changed the plugs!
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Let me guess... that plug came out of #7? If so, you broke a ring land, and it crushed the electrode.... ask me how I know... lol



That lead to the discovery of this...

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wow, what engine is that, that I keep seeing #7 toasted in? Was it the 5.3?
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Originally Posted by kingtal0n
wow, what engine is that, that I keep seeing #7 toasted in? Was it the 5.3?
That was my factory ls1, with 15psi of boost, on a really cold January, with very tight rings that measured 0.011-0.014" upon teardown... not a good combination for that much power. Before any armchair qb's chime in, the tune was spot on, 13 degrees of timing, afr's were high 10s, low 11s, it was just too much power for a stock piston with tight rings.
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Doesn't look promising for the op with those pictures.
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Default Too Much Fuel

When the AFR is GREATER than 11.00 to One, the chance to "melt" a piston is GREAT.

This may be your case, not sure, more information ?

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I believe it came from piston 8.
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Originally Posted by wilwhite2kss
I believe it came from piston 8.
Ring lands can break in any cylinder.
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Default Too Much Fuel=Heat

SURE, the #8 piston has "lost" it's crown.

I thought the question posted was concerned with finding a cause.

MY observation is directed to the #6 piston top showing those little "pit marks" close to the center of that piston.

AN OVER Rich mixture can do this type of damage, overheat a piston, expanding the top ring until it "butts".

Those here who use a Diesel Truck for towing know that over fueling WILL melt a piston.

Another observation would be to picture a "good" plug form #6.

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Compression and leak down test the cylinder in question.
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Originally Posted by Pantera EFI
When the AFR is GREATER than 11.00 to One, the chance to "melt" a piston is GREAT.

This may be your case, not sure, more information ?

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SURE, the #8 piston has "lost" it's crown.

I thought the question posted was concerned with finding a cause.

MY observation is directed to the #6 piston top showing those little "pit marks" close to the center of that piston.

AN OVER Rich mixture can do this type of damage, overheat a piston, expanding the top ring until it "butts".

Those here who use a Diesel Truck for towing know that over fueling WILL melt a piston.

Another observation would be to picture a "good" plug form #6.

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Ok, you are looking at the pics I posted, and I'm not the original poster. For the record, with boost, having an AFR in the high 10 to low 11 is not dangerous or bad at all. Sure, it's a little bit rich, but I also run meoh injection and it gives me a cushion for fueling if the meoh has a hiccup.

But back to the original post, I bet if the plug has the electrode gap closed, you had something hit it, which is not good.
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did anyone mention throttle body screws? Sometimes on an engine you see a missing TB butterfly screw and find a bent plug like that.

COmpression/leakdown will tell more



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