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Old 02-22-2006, 12:47 PM
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So I took a look at my longtubes today and they are really rusted. The guy I bought the car from had flowtechs put on. Am I loosing any power from them being rusted or not. Would it be worth buying some pacesetters or something or just keep the flowtechs regadless of how they look.
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No, your not losing any power.
If it's just surface rust, that's normal for uncoated header's.
But if the rust is deep, you should start planning on getting new one's.
There won't be a catastrophic failure, or anything like that, but as the metal get's thinner leak's may develop from the engine vibration flexing the tubing.
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Would a leak sound like ticking...cause i got a lot of that. If its a leak then its not big enough for anything to be dripping from underneath but it sure does tick like a sumbitch.
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Yeah, an exahust leak will make the sound you describe.
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If you wanted to you could always pull them off, sand the surface rust and put some header wrap or paint on them
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How much power am I loosing with an exhaust leak??
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How much power am I loosing with an exhaust leak??
None, its just an annoyance. Unless its somehow a big enough hole for fresh air to get into and change the O2 sensors reading

If you have a tick it could be a bent pushrod. Pretty easy to check. The 6-speed cars have been known to wreck the factory pushrods.

Remove the valvecover it sounds loudest by, remove the rocker arms, check the pushrods. Replace the ones you find bent with new OEM ones, reinstall rockers and torque to 22 ft-lbs. Roll motor over 90* and re-torque to 22 ft-lbs. Re-install valve covers and be on your merry way. I've done it 52 times at least. I had a pretty bad tick, so i yanked the valvecover off and this is what i found for the intake side of the #7 cylinder

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Holy crap...how did that even fit?
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what do you mean roll the motor over 90*. how
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what do you mean roll the motor over 90*. how
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what do you mean roll the motor over 90*. how
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what do you mean roll the motor over 90*. how do i do this?
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haha I dont know why it posted that 4 times...sorry
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The lobes of the cam might be pushing up on the pushrod when you torque the rocker, which would cause the valvespring to cause a tension in the bolt, which would cause the tq wrench to read 22 ft-lbs before it should, and thus give you less torque on the bolt than you need.

If you rotate the cranshaft, it will move the lobe of the cam out from under the lifter/pushrod, and leave less tension on the rocker arm bolt. This will allow for a more accurate torque reading from your wrench. Plus it's always good to go over your bolts a few times to make sure everything is right.

You can roll it over by placing a 24mm socket on the crankshaft pulley bolt and rotating it clockwise. I usually tighten them to 22 ft-lbs, turn the crank 90*, re-torque, turn another 90* and RE-torque, just to be safe. The second 2 passes usually take about 2 minutes each, since the bolt is already all the way in.

ALSO, make sure you only use a 6 point socket on the 8mm rocker arm bolts, they will round off easier with a 12 point.
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Do I need to remove anything to get to the crank bolt?
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No you should be able to access it pretty easy. Taking off the lid/MAF/bellow will help though. I would suggest a 24mm 6 point deep socket if you can find one.

I must also say that hardened pushrods, although tempting, spell death if you are running stock valvesprings. If an event should happen similar to bending a stock pushrod, but a hardened pushrod is in place, you are going to have a bent VALVE. Heads have to come off to fix this, and that is NO FUN.
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So until I get better springs stay with stock pushrods...its a good thing you mentioned that. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by nokeman
So until I get better springs stay with stock pushrods...its a good thing you mentioned that. Thanks!
I was told the exact same thing right after i found that pushrod. I came back into my thread asking about "where i could get some hardened pushrods?"

That was about a year ago. I got a new pushrod, put everything back together, drove about 3 miles from my house and my rear end exploded.

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