OneQuickSS

Ive gotta a 2000 Camaro SS and I put a set of FLP's on it and removed the EGR, and Ive also got the LS6 intake. What I was wondering was if I was going to pass emissions with it not on there now. Why did they do away with it on the '01-'02 and the ZO6? If they are passing, why wouldnt I? What does the EGR do and can the car run right if its taken out with LS1edit?

<small>[ December 07, 2002, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: onebadss ]</small>

PontiacFireTA

Long tube headers arnt supposed to pass, but I can't speak from any experience, so its just from what I heard.

<small>[ December 08, 2002, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: PontiacFireTA ]</small>

horist

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by onebadss:
<strong>Ive gotta a 2000 Camaro SS and I put a set of FLP's on it and removed the EGR, and Ive also got the LS6 intake. What I was wondering was if I was going to pass emissions with it not on there now. Why did they do away with it on the '01-'02 and the ZO6? If they are passing, why wouldnt I? What does the EGR do and can the car run right if its taken out with LS1edit?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The 01+ cars have a smaller cam, combined w/other changes they can pass emissions.

As to wether you'll pass, depends on how your local testing is.. here for newer cars they only do computer testing (plug in, make sure readiness tests are done, and no emissions codes are set)... so w/LS1 Edit, and a few other changes you can pass emissions...

Since you haven't changed the cam or anything i'd imagine you'd still pass... not sure though

I know here they offer test emissions testing for like 20 bux, so it doesn't count as one of your attempts, but lets you know if you passed or failed... may wanna look into that

EDIT:
Depending on how they check.. if they're strict w/visual inspection yes you'll fail... your car came with EGR and now it doesn't have it...

Also regarding long tube headers causing cars to fail emissions... haven't heard that... I've heard of places failing cars upon visual inspection due to long tubes (mostly california) but if you're running long tubes w/cats i doubt it will fail...

<small>[ December 08, 2002, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: horist ]</small>

DONAIMIAN

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Lets say the test person really didnt know too much about the F-bodies and didnt know that they changed the whole EGR in the 01 and up cars and was to look under your hood, would he be able to tell automaticly it was missing

sited12

No the person wouldnt know on their own but im pretty sure they have a list of emission equipment thats supposed to be on the car for each car year. But i bet if you slip the kid a 20 you will pass. They are only like 14 up here. I have friends that drive it on the dyno and wont let the kid touch there care just cause they are 18 no 15.

OneQuickSS

I live in Texas and we dont have emissions yet, but I think they will have it here soon. I just wanted to make sure that be deleting the EGR through LS1edit is going to take care of this issue. I cant put it back on anyway because of the intake.

felton316

If someone asks where it is... Just tell them that the original motor blew, and you replaced it with a new (non-egr) 2002 motor.

Wicked ls 1

The computer will let them know that the egr system is shut off should have got the ls6 int. with egr provissions imo.

Ragtop 99

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Wicked ls 1:
<strong>The computer will let them know that the egr system is shut off should have got the ls6 int. with egr provissions imo.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then don't shut it off. Tell it to operate only under limited circumstances (e.g. between -35 and -40* F) and then it shouldn't throw a code or register as turned-off.

OneQuickSS

Well Im not doing the tuning, MTI is, so what I was wondering is when they do eliminate it or whatever they do so that it doesnt mess anything up, is it going to pass emissions if they ever have it here?

OneQuickSS

Im sure that someone knows. Ive got FLP's first, then I got the LS6 intake. Well the FLP's have the tube for the EGR and I cant even use it because of the intake. So I cannot put it back on and was wondering if and when it gets custom tuning, will it pass emissions. We dont have emissions yet, but when we do get it, I want to make sure that it will pass? Also, when it does get tuned, will it run properly if its deleted?

OneQuickSS

Colonel...are you out there?? You always seem to give me an answer for all my questions. I know someone knows the absolute answer. I need a definate one, not an opinion because I dont want to be guessing. Thanks

OneQuickSS

Anyone....I know someone knows.

Ragtop 99

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it doesn't mess up normal operation of the car.

Dope

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The car will run perfectly fine.

Also, when you 'disable' EGR with LS1edit, you're not really disabling it. You're just disabling the trouble code that says 'Hey, the EGR ain't working'. They will not be able to tell this. I have my rear O2's 'deleted', which means that my error codes for 'missing cats' is disabled. They plugged into my data port and all was well. They currently do not have the capability of finding this sort of thing. Unless you get crap for your visual, you will pass, and your car will run fine.

Dope

JetBlack98Z

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The Short Answer is Yes, If you live in an emission county your vechicle only have to do what is an OBD2 Dianostic Check(Im a Certifyed Inspector in Harris county) As long as your "Check Engine Light" Is not one it will pass.
But if you meet some ******** Inspector that will look at those LT's he proable won't pass you.
Just My 2cents <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

eallanboggs

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Now that the EPA is here to stay you have to be able to say OBD II in your sleep. The EGR is a way that the manurfacturers try to meet the EPA tailpipe emmissions standards. The newer cars 2001 & 2002) meet that standard WITHOUT the EGR system, but your car did not at time of manufacture. With the intake your running you have a design problem. You PCM can be FOOLED into thinking your EGR is working properly. What are the EGR DTCs class? We've done this drill enough times to do it in our sleep by now. Insufficient Flow, Excess Flow, No Pintle Action. Now if we can make the PCM believe the EGR isn't doing any of those things when it really IS we pass inspection. Isn't that what this exercise is all about? The EGR flow sensors and pintle are all located in the EGR body. As long as the Pintle moves when commanded to do so by the PCM that DTC doesn't go SET. That means the Pintle solenoid must be connected AND working. As far as flow (Insufficient or Excess) the sensor must be able to tell that there is flow when the PCM commands the Pintle OPEN and that there is NO FLOW when the Pintle in NOT commanded OPEN. You can block off your EGR bung on your headers with a plate as long as the inlet tube to the EGR is not blocked off. That would set the insufficient flow DTC. An air leak of some sort would set the Excess Flow DTC because if would flow even when the PCM did NOT give the command to flow. The outlet tube from your EGR to your intake has to be connected to a source of vacuum (normally your intake manifold) to create a source of FLOW so your insufficient flow DTC doesn't go set when the PCM gives the flow command. Since your intake doesn't have a bung for the EGR tube you have a problem. I guess that's a job for LS-1 edit. Just hope you don't run across an inspector that reads LS-1Tech.Com or he may know the difference between a 2000 LS-1 and a 2001 LS-1.

CAT3

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About a cent and half from me, the Emissions sticker under the hood on my 2000 clearly shows the EGR provision and routing, which, correct me if I am wrong, the emissions testers actually use instead of relying on a the guy without EGR to lie to him etc..... As far as a whiffer, yes you'll pass no problem as long as your A/F is good and all else is good. Visual, you have heard it several times, if they know what time it is they fail you, unless they are sympathetic to us of whom have been subjected to pre-ignorant thought EGR delete cars. Thaks GM, now why dont you come out with a Service Bulletin allowing EGR models to run the more "efficient" LS6 intake, hum??????

Charlie.