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Old 11-09-2006, 09:32 AM
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Question stock 75mm MAF chokes 90/90??? COME IN

I know this has been brought up before, but a decisive answer was never produced..

If I have a 90/90 set up, theoretically won't a 75mm MAF limit the 90/90's optimal performance?? Like a bottle neck?

I will opt for the 85mm Z06 MAF, but not if I dont have to..

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Of course it will. Just like a non-ported 75 mm throttle body will be a bottleneck. A 85 mm MAF is going to be more free-flowing.

Btw, don't just get a straight Z06 MAF, get the CALIBRATED 85mm zo6 MAF from PACE, otherwise the tuning tables are not going to line up correctly (trust me, I know ).

Keep in mind the lid is going to be a bottleneck first, and there is only one company I know of that makes an 85mm lid.

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you are going to have to have your car tuned anyways, just have it SD tuned and save yourself the hastle of finding another MAF, not to mention the hundreds of dollars you would save.
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what is involved with a SD tune??

Can any tuner do it or do Ihave to jump through hoops to find someone??
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Get a C5Z maf and tune it, id ditch the lid unless its 85mm and go with an velocity stack filter
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if i went with an SD tune, I would love to run something like this...(the filer attatched directly to the TB, I think that would be friggin SWEET)

What do you guys think??
https://ls1tech.com/SEMA_06/images/IMG_2990.jpg
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
you are going to have to have your car tuned anyways, just have it SD tuned and save yourself the hastle of finding another MAF, not to mention the hundreds of dollars you would save.
What's the advantage of an SD tune over a MAF tune, besides being able to ditch the MAF. Any disadvantages, like price, performance in inclement weather etc?
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when doing a tune some tuners charge more for SD, some dont. mine didnt.

my car is bone *** stock. i have a tune with no 02s and no MAF.

i daily drive my car, (30,000 miles last year) and i drive it year round in Indiana. the only issue with SD tune is that sometimes on cold mornings (like below freezing) the cars RPMs vary and a couple of times it has died. but it starts right back up and then is fine. im glad i did it and im going to do it on my LS1 swapped car.
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Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
if i went with an SD tune, I would love to run something like this...(the filer attatched directly to the TB, I think that would be friggin SWEET)

What do you guys think??
https://ls1tech.com/SEMA_06/images/IMG_2990.jpg
Actually, that setup isn't as great as you'd think...I had almost exactly that on my Camaro, and my engine didn't like it. At WOT, the MAP values would only get up to 95-ish kPa, whereas before with the lid and a straight bellows it would get to at least 100 kPa, if not more. Definitely lost power running a filter directly off of my throttle body, and consequently, my lid is back on.
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So to answer the original question,

yes.

I would get the PaceParts calibrated unit if I were you, there's no downside it's relatively inexpensive.
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I did a test on this on the dyno. Car picked up 16hp. Only change was removing the stock MAF.
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
I did a test on this on the dyno. Car picked up 16hp. Only change was removing the stock MAF.
Holy ****, that is a lot. What kind of lid was on the car?
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Just a normal 78mm Clear lid.
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Why would it be such a drastic difference when there is still a 78mm bottleneck on the thing?
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I believe when Jason tested it on his car, he had only picked up a difference that was small enough just to be dyno variation, like 1-2 hp. I had the 85mm MAF on my car, had to swap it out back to the stocker for a few days to let someone borrow the big one, and I honestly noticed nothing different.
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While I don't know if I gained 16 HP by getting rid of the MAF in the intake, I even noticed a difference going from my 85mm piece to a straight through bellows (made using 4" exhaust pipe)...I think there's definitely something to be had with it. Hell...I had 90% injector duty cycle on stock injectors with nothing more than bolt-ons (stock internal engine), so it obviously wanted fuel to accompany the air that was coming in.
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So you're saying you did a speed density tune then?
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Originally Posted by Cerebrex
So you're saying you did a speed density tune then?

Who, me? Yes...speed density, and open loop. Been running that way for about 1.5 years (maybe closer to 2, I don't know).
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Originally Posted by Andros
Get a C5Z maf and tune it, id ditch the lid unless its 85mm and go with an velocity stack filter
85 SLP/85 Delphi/ZO6 MAF. They are all the same.
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
85 SLP/85 Delphi/ZO6 MAF. They are all the same.
uh uh, the slp has that super special sticker that when it falls off magically changes and says delphi

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