Things Just Aren't Working Out...
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Things Just Aren't Working Out...
i've had my headers in the box for around two months now, and all i'm running into are problems...
first off, i placed an order with speed inc. for O2 extensions, header gaskets, plugs/wires and AIR blockoff plates two weeks ago, but they haven't even shipped yet. they are all out of O2 extensions, and they think they might get them in next week. at that point, they can actually ship the order
but that's not even the real problem. i wanted to get custom TD's rigged up for my car, and i went to the exhaust shop today to talk it over with the guy. the guy that owns the shop is my friend's brother. he's the only guy in the area i'd even consider taking my car to for exhaust work because frankly, everyone else sucks. everyone else does bastardized crush bends and gets you out the door as soon as possible. people take their car to see him after they've already had their exhaust screwed up by the other guy.
he refuses to rig TD's for my car. he claims he's screwed around with this stuff before. he put a procharger on an f-body and said he took off the cats. the car made less power than stock. he said it made no boost with the cats off. they swapped the pulley to add more boost and the car made 460 rwhp. he says TD's on my car, or running catless in general, is a very bad idea for my car because it takes away all the backpressure and the car will be slower after TD's than before. he doesn't want to drill any holes in my floorboards either to mount the TD's. i even told him i'd buy a crossover pipe and all he'd have to do is mount it. he won't do it. so i'm kinda stuck, as i'm not driving to north jersey to get TD's put on my car. i'd have no ride home and i have to work. if he doesn't do it, i have absolutely no way of getting TD's on my car
so it seems i have to get a custom y-pipe made. any ideas what route i should go with this? i was thinking of getting 3" cats off the ends of my collectors into a 2.5" y-pipe, then into a 2.5"/3" flowmaster merge. either that or 3" pipe out of the cats, then into a 3"/3.5" flowmaster merge into a 3.5"->3" reducer. which sounds better to you guys?
i'm really not in a good mood right now...i really, really don't want to run a y-pipe....ever....because they all sound like **** compared to TD's with single chambers.
first off, i placed an order with speed inc. for O2 extensions, header gaskets, plugs/wires and AIR blockoff plates two weeks ago, but they haven't even shipped yet. they are all out of O2 extensions, and they think they might get them in next week. at that point, they can actually ship the order
but that's not even the real problem. i wanted to get custom TD's rigged up for my car, and i went to the exhaust shop today to talk it over with the guy. the guy that owns the shop is my friend's brother. he's the only guy in the area i'd even consider taking my car to for exhaust work because frankly, everyone else sucks. everyone else does bastardized crush bends and gets you out the door as soon as possible. people take their car to see him after they've already had their exhaust screwed up by the other guy.
he refuses to rig TD's for my car. he claims he's screwed around with this stuff before. he put a procharger on an f-body and said he took off the cats. the car made less power than stock. he said it made no boost with the cats off. they swapped the pulley to add more boost and the car made 460 rwhp. he says TD's on my car, or running catless in general, is a very bad idea for my car because it takes away all the backpressure and the car will be slower after TD's than before. he doesn't want to drill any holes in my floorboards either to mount the TD's. i even told him i'd buy a crossover pipe and all he'd have to do is mount it. he won't do it. so i'm kinda stuck, as i'm not driving to north jersey to get TD's put on my car. i'd have no ride home and i have to work. if he doesn't do it, i have absolutely no way of getting TD's on my car
so it seems i have to get a custom y-pipe made. any ideas what route i should go with this? i was thinking of getting 3" cats off the ends of my collectors into a 2.5" y-pipe, then into a 2.5"/3" flowmaster merge. either that or 3" pipe out of the cats, then into a 3"/3.5" flowmaster merge into a 3.5"->3" reducer. which sounds better to you guys?
i'm really not in a good mood right now...i really, really don't want to run a y-pipe....ever....because they all sound like **** compared to TD's with single chambers.
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well my boy it sounds like this is your turn and your time to do it yourself....
he wont mess with the cats not because of the "boost" or "power" problem, hes just not going to mess with them because shops get closed if they get caught dealing in exhaust without cats...
dont lower your standards because SOMEONE else wont do something for you...
order a dual set from TSP or something and put it on yourself, its not hard and it sounds great....besides anyone saying your car will be slower with duals on it, then a stock system im not sure id take it to them anyway
he wont mess with the cats not because of the "boost" or "power" problem, hes just not going to mess with them because shops get closed if they get caught dealing in exhaust without cats...
dont lower your standards because SOMEONE else wont do something for you...
order a dual set from TSP or something and put it on yourself, its not hard and it sounds great....besides anyone saying your car will be slower with duals on it, then a stock system im not sure id take it to them anyway
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3" pipe out of the cats, then into a 3"/3.5" flowmaster merge into a 3.5"->3" reducer
That's the one I would do. There aren't any sponsors anywhere near you that would fab some duals up for you?
That's the one I would do. There aren't any sponsors anywhere near you that would fab some duals up for you?
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definitely dont give up on duals. your exhaust guy needs to pull his head out of his ***. show him pics, and tell him you dont ******* care if he thinks they wont perform well.
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You could always bring him some Hi-Flow cats and the x-over pipe.... I understand why shops don't want to do catless exhaust stuff since it is against the law, but to tell you he won't do it because you'll "lose power" is just rediculous.
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I got a friend that puts his cats on once a year for inspections. Then he takes them off and puts in a short pipe in their place. However another friend of mine has the TSP true duels/sweet thunders and it has good ground clearance and sounds good.
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Originally Posted by staringback05
he wont mess with the cats not because of the "boost" or "power" problem, hes just not going to mess with them because shops get closed if they get caught dealing in exhaust without cats...
Originally Posted by staringback05
dont lower your standards because SOMEONE else wont do something for you...
i can't drive too far from my house because i won't have a ride home. besides, this is my daily driver - and i need to drive it for my job. i'm just out of options.
Originally Posted by staringback05
order a dual set from TSP or something and put it on yourself, its not hard and it sounds great....besides anyone saying your car will be slower with duals on it, then a stock system im not sure id take it to them anyway
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Originally Posted by MikeG
3" pipe out of the cats, then into a 3"/3.5" flowmaster merge into a 3.5"->3" reducer
That's the one I would do. There aren't any sponsors anywhere near you that would fab some duals up for you?
That's the one I would do. There aren't any sponsors anywhere near you that would fab some duals up for you?
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Originally Posted by 02NBMWS6
definitely dont give up on duals. your exhaust guy needs to pull his head out of his ***. show him pics, and tell him you dont ******* care if he thinks they wont perform well.
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Where are you located Taco? I read North Jersey in there somewhere. Take your car to Mufflex.
Originally Posted by WhiteStripes
You could always bring him some Hi-Flow cats and the x-over pipe.... I understand why shops don't want to do catless exhaust stuff since it is against the law, but to tell you he won't do it because you'll "lose power" is just rediculous.
Originally Posted by 02NBMWS6
definitely dont give up on duals. your exhaust guy needs to pull his head out of his ***. show him pics, and tell him you dont ******* care if he thinks they wont perform well.
i dont mean to come off as a dick. i'm just very upset right now with the whole situation. if anyone knows of a good exhaust shop in the hammonton/atco area in south jersey, PM me it. i couldn't care less who does it as long as they do a good job and it's close to me so i can get a ride home.
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There have been guys on the board who ditched their TD's because they just didn't like them. A friend of mine did. With LT's and no cats, the car lost a lot of low end part throttle torque. Maybe there was more on the top end at WOT, but it felt like a dog around town. Then there was the noise. Even though he went over the axle, first with bullets, and then managed to squeeze FM 40's in there, it gave him a headache. And this is a guy who likes it louder than I can take. He went to an ORY and catback and hasn't looked back.
You don't need cats, but you need good velocity. I like your Plan B. It will work well at your power level. I'm going to do a 2.5" catted Y into a 2.5/3" FM merge to my GMMG. I think this system will achieve that with neckdowns but no major bottlenecks.
I honestly think you'll be happier in the long run with this system than with TD's - although lots of guys will disagree.
You don't need cats, but you need good velocity. I like your Plan B. It will work well at your power level. I'm going to do a 2.5" catted Y into a 2.5/3" FM merge to my GMMG. I think this system will achieve that with neckdowns but no major bottlenecks.
I honestly think you'll be happier in the long run with this system than with TD's - although lots of guys will disagree.
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Dude... MUFFLEX. Well worth the drive, they do badass work. I know exactly the type of person this guy is whom you are describing, it's frustrating, I know I drove 1.5hrs to Mufflex when I had my LT1, my friend went back with his LT1, and I'll go there again when (not IF) I have to run my duals out the back.
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You need to take a vacation day and drive to a shop that will do what you want, one that already has done duals before. Call them and make a appointment with the same guys that has done it before. A 2hr. drive is nothing. I live in a small town and have to drive to get anything I want. When I want to get my car tuned, I will have to drive to 1.5 hrs to a chicago suburb. Plus you will get to lisen to your new duals on the way back.
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