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Old 11-02-2008, 09:39 AM
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ok guys went on the dyno last week and had a problem when i sprayed a 150 shot. It seemed perfect till i got up to 5900-6800 and the car fell flat on its face and a/f went lean twice in a row. The injectors were at 95% . I have prc duals in there so not sure what to do to fix this problem?? what can i do to get this issue resolved. could it be the rockers to tight? stock rockers to and stock heads. Also one other thing it didnt do it on motor just on spray and it was right at the 6k area.

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Running out of injector or fuel pressure. Rule of thumb is 80% injector duty max. You need a wet 150 shot or bigger injectors. If you have a wet shot, then you're losing fuel pressure.
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Running out of injector or fuel pressure. Rule of thumb is 80% injector duty max. You need a wet 150 shot or bigger injectors. If you have a wet shot, then you're losing fuel pressure.
It has to be the injector becouse i know im getting no lower than 57lbs at wott at 6k and up at my fuel rail. I was spraying a 150 wett
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By injector you mean the nitrous fuel injector, right? If you're 57 PSI & @ 95% on the stock injectors, then I would agree that there is an issue w/ the nitrous fuel injector or the plumbing to the nitrous fuel injector.

EDIT: or the electronics/control of the nitrous fuel injector
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Originally Posted by LS1-450
By injector you mean the nitrous fuel injector, right? If you're 57 PSI & @ 95% on the stock injectors, then I would agree that there is an issue w/ the nitrous fuel injector or the plumbing to the nitrous fuel injector.

EDIT: or the electronics/control of the nitrous fuel injector
Not sure what you mean by nitrous fuel injector i was meaning 95% duty cycle on the cars injectors im not sure what a nitrous injector is enless you mean nozzle? It was fine up till high rpms like 5800-6k and it took a nose dive. I talked to the guy at the dyno and he said it didnt look like valve float by looking at the dyno runs but im not sure. I dont have a fpss switch either to cause it to cut out.
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Not sure what you mean by nitrous fuel injector i was meaning 95% duty cycle on the cars injectors im not sure what a nitrous injector is enless you mean nozzle? It was fine up till high rpms like 5800-6k and it took a nose dive. I talked to the guy at the dyno and he said it didnt look like valve float by looking at the dyno runs but im not sure. I dont have a fpss switch either to cause it to cut out.

You said it was a wet shot. A wet shot means that the nitrous system adds fuel to the nitrous w/ added injector or injectors that come with the kit. So, if your nitrous kit did not come with a fuel set up, then you are spraying a dry shot which is overloading your cars' injectors. It's not valve float.

Fuel needs to be added either by larger (car) injectors or a wet nitrous kit.
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Originally Posted by LS1-450
You said it was a wet shot. A wet shot means that the nitrous system adds fuel to the nitrous w/ added injector or injectors that come with the kit. So, if your nitrous kit did not come with a fuel set up, then you are spraying a dry shot which is overloading your cars' injectors. It's not valve float.

Fuel needs to be added either by larger (car) injectors or a wet nitrous kit.
Umm lol i know how a wett shot works been spraying for years. Just never heard someone call a fuel noid a injector. Im actually going to buy 2 new noids to see if the fuel noid is just failing me or closing off.
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if you had your fuel noid fail i would think that that it would only happen once, and make a big kaboom shortly after. I would upgrade the injectors, 95% DC is simply too much. Also i doubt your fuel noid is failing as much as your fuel pump is failing. Replace the pump and the injectors and you should be set to hit the kit all day long.

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Umm lol i know how a wett shot works been spraying for years. Just never heard someone call a fuel noid a injector. Im actually going to buy 2 new noids to see if the fuel noid is just failing me or closing off.
Then you outta know better than to think 95% duty cycle on stock injectors is valve float.

As to the suggestion that you need injectors & a fuel pump; you already confirmed 57 psi during WOT & that the car is not lean during WOT on motor only. So, if it's not lean on motor & injectors are only 95% while spraying, then it's the wet shot kit related fueling, either mechanical or electrical.
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Originally Posted by 03_r6
if you had your fuel noid fail i would think that that it would only happen once, and make a big kaboom shortly after. I would upgrade the injectors, 95% DC is simply too much. Also i doubt your fuel noid is failing as much as your fuel pump is failing. Replace the pump and the injectors and you should be set to hit the kit all day long.
Fuel pump is fine its a racetronix with hotwire , I had a nitrous backfire on the dyno shortly after that run leaving me to believe the problem migh be noid/nitrous issues. My understanding stock injectors can run over 100% with no problem.




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