nitr0racing21

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What does everyone think I will gain with a polluter cam as of right now I have

BBK 85MM Throttle Body
smooth below
BBK SSi intake manifold
Texas Speed 1 7/8 headers


A4 with a Triple D converter. Anyone have there guesses?


Current power is 338/342 at the wheels


Also: How loopy is the idle? Will it be clear that there is a cam in the car?

ZMONSTER!

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not nearly as much as you would with a much smaller cam and touched up heads. Hell you would probably be better off with a custom grind.

To answer your question, I have no idea.
Why are you interested in the polluter?

nitr0racing21

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Honestly just looking at gains I would see with all types of cams the polluter is the newer cam out so I figured it would be the best to start with I don't want a MS3 or MS4 everyone has them ya know I want something people dont know alot about

Bonertee

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PM or call the guys at Tick Performance. Since it is their cam, they can probably give you a better estimate. Just my .02

ZMONSTER!

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the reason certain cams are so prevelant is that they deliver what the masses are looking for, which most of the time means sound(lope), a catchy name, driveability, and real world gains, in that order.

Also dosent the fact that you are looking for something that not alot of people know about make it foolish to pose a question to those same people?

Sorry man, its all in good fun no intent to bust your *****.

Is this your first cam? What are your goals with the car?

nitr0racing21

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I don't care about sound, what I mean by alot of people outside of the LS world dont know about it
MS3 and MS4 are known decently


I want to be able to daily drive the car and go to the track a few times a year.

oh and it WILL be spraied with a 100 shot

ZMONSTER!

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Id seriously say go with something a little smaller, get ahold of predatorz and see what he thinks.

Also read at this, I keep it around for just such an occasion...

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...e-why-not.html

TransAmcoupe98

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Hell it looks like people make 100whp gains with just that cam swap. See how she does with gears.

ZMONSTER!

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Really? where did you see that?!
Or are you being sarcastic?

209ryder

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Honestly big cams arent always the way to go lil cams are more responsive and snappy and make better y and thats what you want when your dragging it...........My buddy has full boltons and a torker v2 cam and made like 412and 401 ans that car runs hard .......He ran a 11.52 at like 120 i think its fast as hell for a street car dd??? Thats my opinion but them big *** cams arent always what you want and the driveability is shittier but the tune means everything too...........But they lose alot of low end too....But hey thats just my .02

Daryn

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u can have alot better results with . say a 231-234 cam or a 228-232 .600 on a 112 or on a 110 if u want a nasty sound ...

bigger isnt always better.

1badWS6

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Wow ... check this:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...us-5-days.html

and this:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...ds-sheets.html

We just installed this cam in a buddies car and it was tuned yesterday. Go check these threads out and you'll get a figure in your head. Don't let people steer you away from a big cam. Make your own choice...

nitr0racing21

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What do people mean by driveablity?? I don't fully understand that

WSsick

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driveablitity is really a subjective term. it means how the cam will behave when driven around town, cruising, etc., basically when you arent racing. it has a lot to do with power under the curve, low end torque and so on. you get the picture. some people cant stand a cam that lopes off its *** and that has no power off idle, as when you are pulling away from a stop sign or stop light, or when you are cruising around in the 1x00 rpms and it will buck and surge. these problems occur in the bigger cams, and the polluter is such. the specs arent fully given out but they will tell you 24x/24x .61x/.61x on you choice on LSA. thats a HUGE cam for a 346. IIRC, they designed it to be a big cam making huge power on stock heads, and you will see a good amount of cars running this cam only, or with ported tock heads making near 420rwhp. problem with the cam is that is is quite large, and is trying to get alot more air than is able to be flowed by the heads, LS1/LS6 intake etc. just like any other big cam, it would wake up a whole lto with a good set of heads and a FAST. not to say it wont make power without those, just dont expect numbers higher than 420 without adding heads/intake. this brings me back again to driveability, it depends also on the tune. with a good tune, any cam can be made to idle well, and have a cretain degree of driveability

like i said in the beginning, driveability is a matter of personal opinion. i have a friend that that DD an MS4 for a while. he helped that out with some 4.10s (which if you go polluter, youll want gears to help prevent bucking, surging, and low end as well as keep you in the power band while you are racing). i have another friend who just from riding in that MS4 car said hed never get a cam bigger than 230 (he went 228/228). well, both cars are are on the LS6 intake, stock heads, and gears (MS4 has 4.10s, 228 has 3.73s). they will stay dead nuts with each other everytime. why? because one is is huge and cant make all its potential power on the current setup, the other is doing what it was meant to do. its all about your complete package, not just individual parts. when going to a cam, or more importantly H/C, a well setup package is worth more than the sum of its parts. which brings me to my closing statement, go custom grind. it can be tailored to how you drive, how you want it to idle, the weight of your car, current mods, and so much more. it really is the best choice. hit up predator z, pat g, or a sponsor for one.

WSsick

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wow i didnt realize how much i wrote sorry about that

forgot to mention, if you are going to go bigger down the road, keep that in mind with a big cam, or a custom grind. that way, you arent regretting a decision later on.

edit: one more thing, you can get a smaller cam to sound like a big cam at idle, it doesnt all depend on big duration. you can have a smaller cam with a good amount of overlap and it will sound bigger. hell, listen to the ASA cam idle. sounds big, dont it? okay, i swear im done now. haha

nitr0racing21

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I will probably go custom grid, I need low end power for when I am cruising with the converter locked up,I do alot of 1200-2500 cruising and I also need 3500+ torque for when the stall is stalled up

kinglt-1

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Well don't go polluter then. the dyno chart of the one who made 430whp, was down 50wtq to stock cam at 2400rpm. Aslo it does not make more tq than the stock cam till
3600. Thats a cam thats going to require a 4000+ stall and/or 4.10 gears.

stumprrp

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With a stalled automatic who cares about 2000 rpm? I care about how fast my car is when I floor it. Anyways I think you would be happy with something custom.. What's the stall speed on your converter?

nitr0racing21

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stall speed is 3800 and I do care because I have converter lock up

209ryder

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Hey like i said bro i would go with a smaller cam than a big one you lose so much tq and low end for sure yeah make good numbers on a dyno but **** a dyno graph the track is where the numbers count!!!!! Cam swap only with support mods and 4k stall with 373's 11.52.....Full bolt ons too no head work and stock ls6 manifold and tb......Dyno numbers are over rated bro !!!!! Im going custom grind to all my specs coming for the new parts and its just the same as a off the shelf and you get all the potential of the cam too...Heard the pat g dude is great im from the central valley in cali and rick at synergy is doing my cam