D.Jones

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Ok, when my tax return comes in, I decided that I want to get a H/C package. current mods are: lid, ls6 intake, TSP 1 7/8" LT headers, TSP ory, and magnaflow catback. I also want to do it right the first time around so will also be purchasing the ported ls6 oil pump and double roller timing chain, but need some help getting it all together.

What is the real difference in the stage 2.5 ls6 heads vs the 5.3L heads other than the $200 price difference?

I know I'm getting a 112 lsa but cant decide between the 228 or the torquer v2 cam. This is my DD but would like to have around 400-450rwhp. I mostly do highway/roll races, usually a good 2nd gear pull from 40mph or similar (around 3000-3500rpm pulls). I did a lot of research and I know that the 228 makes better low power and the v2 is better on top end, but never been inside a car with similar cams so I really dont know what the difference is like. Any help/in-put is appreciated. Thanks.

Videos of the speedo climbing would be awsome and greatly, greatly appreciated! (youtube turned out nothing)

02BLKWS6MD

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I know alot of people like to use texas-speed but personally I'd go with a custom grind cam. Have someone spec you one to the way you want it. I think the difference between the 5.3 and LS6 heads are the combustion chambers. The 5.3 heads most likely are smller and they are cheaper head to work with, and the LS6 cores probbly cost more.

Quik Sand

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I have the torquer 2 in my car. Mods and power numbers in sig. Are you running stock gears?

I can tell you that the v2 pulls like a train above 3k.

D.Jones

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yeah, im on stock gears. oh and I am a m6.

teke184

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with either of the heads you are looking at, you should be around 430rwhp with the 228 cam, and 450rwhp with the Tv2.

the 228 will obviously be the better driving cam, although both should tune just fine.

the 228 will likely drive a little better on the stock gears, although i'm on stock gears with my Tv1 cam and its fine around town. i can cruise at 60mph in 6th easily.

jason00ss

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like quik sand said, the tv2 pulls like a f**kin freight train above 3k. i have that cam with the stage 2.5 ls6 heads with 4.10 gears and its a nice happy medium. try to match everything together. the 5.3 heads will bump your compression a little for some more torque so the 228 will prolly match that better. but if you go with the ls6 heads i suggest the tv2 then for the added flow up top. just my .02 though. also, why the double roller?? alot of people have clearance issues with it. a ls2 timing set is stronger than stock and more than enough for your setup.

D.Jones

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i just seen it on the option list with the tsp heads/cam pkg so thought it would be a good idea. so just go with the ls2 timing chain instead?

still dont know what cam i want, i like the power up top that the tv2 has but i also dont want to be sluggish down low either. with the tv2, does it pull like stock down low (under 3k rpm) or better or worst(sluggish).
thanks everyone, im still learning slowly.

desertLS1

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Get a VRX5 cam from Vengeance racing
you won't be dissapointed
there are other cams out there, your options are definitley not limited.

desertLS1

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Get a VRX5 cam from Vengeance racing
you won't be dissapointed
there are other cams out there, your options are definitley not limited.

Jason 98 TA

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I personally really like the Torquer 3 over the other options. I'd be more than happy to get you dyno data next each other so you can see the differences. Don't be affraid of the little bit of extra lift, the PRC springs that come one either of those heads will easily handle the extra lift.

Between the heads I always prefer the LS6 heads if the money difference doesn't bug you. The LS6 heads will move a little bit more air & will grow better as you add cubes down the road!

We currently have heads/cam packages on sell!

D.Jones

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the vrx4 caught my eye, or i might do a custom-grind cam from tsp when i order the heads. what would be the difference in a 228/228 vs a 228/230.... any real noticeable difference in peak power and power under the curve? any advantages one got over the other? thanks

D.Jones

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Jason, if you could give me some dyno data with the 228r and tv2 that would be great. and maybe even the tv3 as you suggested. thanks

01ssreda4

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The V3 is a bad MF. That being said, dont discount some of the other cams out there as well. Thunder Racing has been doing this for a while and their cams are fantastic. Futral has lots of loyal followers for his cams as well

Quik Sand

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Take a look at my recent dyno graph of the v2. Im at around 350 tq at 3500 RPM. Look at it flatten out between 4k-5k. Im in the 380's in tq in that range. It pulls strong as hell in that period which is what you mentioned in your roll races. Not sure from experience, but I imagine the 228r tq comes in sooner. Also realize that running stock gears will also effect how the car pulls down low. To compromise with that, I would recommend 4.10's ( I run 3.73's, so mine feels alright powerwise down low).

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...w-numbers.html

chrs1313

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stay away from those high lift cams for a DD...any cam will be do good in that range...my 230/230 is a perfect example...in the end they will all be around a few hp from one another...

02BLKWS6MD

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agreed I have a custom grind 232/232 that made 426whp on a conservative tune and drive it everyday, I know it has more in it too. I like it, plus its different then what everyone else is running. It pulls hard 3-3500rpms and up, made its power at 6550rpms

396D1SS

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I am running a high lift cam for a DD and it works awesome

BriancWS6

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Everyone's going to have their opinions on what parts to go with, and everyone has their own tastes on how they want their car to perform. With that said, I will throw in my .02, and it does come from experience.

Either of those cams, the 228R, or the TV2, are good cams that aren't either overly large or very small. I have compared both of these cams in two cam only m6 cars that had nearly the same supporting mods, one with the 228, one with the 232/234. Both were on a 112. The 228 cammed car had a noticeably broader power curve, but still pulled very good up top. The TV2 car felt down on power in the low-mid range when compared to the other car, and, it even had 4.30 gears to the smaller cammed cars 4.10s. I didn't feel any sotp gain in the top end with the bigger cam.

Now all cars don't run the same stock, and these two cars are just that, two different cars. They were in two different locations, tuned by two different people, and driven at different times. Those were my un-biased impressions though.

Between the two heads you listed, I would prefer the LS6 castings over the 5.3s for a bit more potential.

Why 1 7/8 headers? For a NA stock cubed build, the 1 3/4 primaries will better suit your needs.

A double roller timing set is way overkill for your application. If you have relatively low miles, you could easily get away with just swapping in an LS2 chain, which is a LOT beefier than the stocker, OR, you could install a complete LS2 timing set, or one of the many other aftermarket single setups.

There's not a chance in hell that you'd see a 20rwhp gain between these two cams on the same lsa and icl. About 5-10rw tops.

Austinma62

I have also been looking into these cams also. Based off the dynos I have came across on this forum the 228r definetly has more low end. And the torquer 2 has more up top. To me the trade off for losing the low end and gaining up top is not worth it to me. I would rather have more drivability and low end torque. However you say you roll race so maybe you would be more beneficial to go with the torquer since its more of a top ender. Either way if you go with the 228r id go with the 5.3L heads and if you go the torquer 2 id go with the ported LS6 heads. Thats just my opinion of what works best. Good luck man.

Bjorne043

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I called thunder racing and they recommended the TV3 to me as well over the TV2. They said it would have more consistant under the curve power.