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Old 06-26-2010, 06:52 PM
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Custom Pat G. specced cam bought through Thunder Racing (NOT blaming them, just stating a fact) with approx 20k miles; car itself has 68k miles on the odo. Developed a tick a week or so ago and didn't think it was anything more than a collapsed lifter. Boy, was I wrong. Intake lobes on #1 & #5 and corresponding lifters. Who wants to guess what went wrong?




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Can't see the pictures.
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Originally Posted by importhater81
Can't see the pictures.
Really? Showing up fine on my end. Anyone else having problems?
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can't see them either.
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Bah, alright. I'll fix 'em.

How about now?
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I see them fine. Stock LS1 lifters? If so I wouldn't think that they would fail at 65K miles.
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fixed
and holy ****
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THat is real funny, cause I having the same issue. I just took my cam out and I caught it at the early stages. 1,3, and 5 exhaust lobes only. it lloked like the hardened coating started coming off and them wiped out everything else. Sucks to see that.
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So what happened? The hardening came off?
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Let the guessing begin - I choose the fatigued lifter tray / turned lifter trick.
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wow my condolences
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Over the past couple of years,cam and lifter failures such as the OP's seem to be more and more frequent. I've seen it multiple times on LS vehicles with stock cams and lifters.

I'm starting to believe it might have something to do with the lack of additives that were present in years past in today's oils.

Rotella is the only oil I'm aware of that still incorporates Zinc and Phosphorus as additives.
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Originally Posted by Darkman
Let the guessing begin - I choose the fatigued lifter tray / turned lifter trick.
That was my first thought too, but my lifters all fit in the trays as they should, snug and perfectly aligned. Maybe I got a bad cam???

Also I pulled the stock cam at around 45-50k and there isn't any damage on it what so ever. The car only has 68k on the clock.
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Originally Posted by importhater81
Over the past couple of years,cam and lifter failures such as the OP's seem to be more and more frequent. I've seen it multiple times on LS vehicles with stock cams and lifters.

I'm starting to believe it might have something to do with the lack of additives that were present in years past in today's oils.

Rotella is the only oil I'm aware of that still incorporates Zinc and Phosphorus as additives.
I could see this.
I run ford Diesel motor oil as it has the most additives still incorporated
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Let me get this right. You arent blaming Thunder Racing for this failure are you?
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
Let me get this right. You arent blaming Thunder Racing for this failure are you?
i dont think you can. after puttin 18k on it, the cam dont just fall apart. if it was a bad cam it would have failed long before that.

maybe ...

springs went bad causing the lifter bounce on the cam messing up the finish and the lifter at the same time.

lifter itself just took a **** causing the above type action.

as previously mentioned, oils may have had a hand in this.

all of the above.
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Well, lets not name a sponsor and then play the guessing game. Just tell us what happened.
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
Let me get this right. You arent blaming Thunder Racing for this failure are you?
Stating a fact =/= blaming a shop or did I miss something? Not trying to start a flame war; just hoping maybe they'll chime into the discussion and offer some insight.
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Originally Posted by Super Slow Z
Stating a fact =/= blaming a shop or did I miss something? Not trying to start a flame war; just hoping maybe they'll chime into the discussion and offer some insight.
Ok, you just made it seem like you knew what went wrong. I didn't realize you were still trying to figure out what happened.


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