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FINALLY! got my TSP 231/237 w/ PP SII heads dyno'd

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Old 01-18-2004, 07:31 PM
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Default FINALLY! got my TSP 231/237 w/ PP SII heads dyno'd

I finally got the car down to the dyno to see what it could do. I wanted to take it in to see my numbers but to also see what my numbers are before i take out my VIG 3200 because ever since ive had it my numbers have dropped alot.

the converter jumps to 4600-4800rpms when you go WOT which you can see on the dyno sheet.

these numbers are unlocked 403 rwhp. the torque is only 348 but thats becuz 4600 rpms is the lowest i have on the sheet.

little history. i dyno'd 376 rwhp with a small cam, stock heads and stock converter. once i put in the vig 3200 my dyno numbers where only 340rwhp unlocked, so i lost 36rwhp becuz of the converter.

also the 403 that i just dyno'd, my timing is only at 21 degrees

i have the dyno sheet and i tried uploading it, but its to big and i dont have anything to resize it with. i can email it to somebody if they can make it smaller to upsize. i also have a video with all 3 cutouts open. you wouldnt believe how sweet it sounds with all 3 open.

i know im forgetting some things, but im sure you guys will ask

i also forgot to note, the rpms on the graph are 2000 higher then what they really are. it shows shutoff at 6800, but that was actually 6600 and you can see it was still making power and going up where we shut it down.

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nice numbers, but i still think you should be putting out a lot more hp. there are people doing that with your setup without heads. do you have all the bolt ons?
by the way where in cali are you from?
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email it to me at layzie3@juno.com and i'll resize and and host it for you.
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Originally Posted by LS1HEAT
nice numbers, but i still think you should be putting out a lot more hp. there are people doing that with your setup without heads. do you have all the bolt ons?
by the way where in cali are you from?

i agree my numbers should be higher. also dont forget this is in an automatic.
i lost 36 rwhp when i put the converter in. and these numbers are unlocked. so if i could get that 36rwhp back with a more efficent converter and get it to lock up and to also get my timing above 21. i would be seeing some pretty numbers.
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dynoJet or mustang dyno?
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here ya go . nice numbers.

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[QUOTE=LS1HEAT]nice numbers, but i still think you should be putting out a lot more hp. there are people doing that with your setup without heads. do you have all the bolt ons?

-I'd like you to show us a dyno graph of the cars doing this with stock heads. That would be easily reached with a 6-speed. Remember this is a auto thats unlocked. I wouldn't be disappointed with a auto putting out 400+ rwhp unlocked. That would be almost 440 locked up, with a 6 speed it'd probably throw down 450-460 rwhp, thats pretty good if you ask me.
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what converter are you going with now? Yeah dont worry about the numbers on the dyno. Get it out to the track as soon as you can to see what it can really do
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your a/f looks horrendous
Old 01-18-2004, 08:41 PM
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u are WAY too lean man ... u probably have 10-20 hp laying around between a better AF and some timing... 12.8-13 ur af should be, not 14+

still why 21 degrees? I run 32-34 with no KR and 91 octane ... even in the hot... my CR is about 10.9 with the heads milled
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Originally Posted by LS1HEAT
nice numbers, but i still think you should be putting out a lot more hp. there are people doing that with your setup without heads. do you have all the bolt ons?
by the way where in cali are you from?
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What are you talking about? He is making over 400 UNlocked through a vig 3200. Those numbers locked would be around 430-445 through an A4. Those are GREAT numbers!

I haven't seen ANYONE with stock heads dyno over 400RWHP unlocked through a loose vig verter.


Also you are WAY lean. shoot for 12.8-13:1. You will likely hurt something running that lean.

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if you do a pull unlocked doesnt the torque read higher not lower. jfm's dyno was unlocked with absolute speed heads g5x3 cam and an unlocked yank 4400 and made 446 rwhp and 458 rwtq. somethings not right with your car. I doubt the timing has anything to do with there being no tq. get that thing tuned and lock that verter man.
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heres jfm's dyno sheet. by the way its an a4 with 342's
http://www.fastls1.com/forums/attach...=&postid=33288
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the dyno sheet is all messed up.

the rpms are 2000 to high, so if your looking at 5800rpms its actually 5600rpms.

the a/f is messed up also. i had my own wideband hooked up and it was reading 12.5 to 12.8, so it was pretty close or alittle rich in some areas.

im sending the vig 3200 back to precision and they are going to look at it for me. i might end up getting one of there new setups, now sure yet.
i did take it to the track but it was hurting my times becuz it jumps to 4600 rpms right off the line
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Not that it matters but that converter is definitly locked . You have your car way way too lean man . I would go for a real dynotune as soon as possible. Until you get your timing and A/f worked out any #`s you have are really worthless. If ya beat on your car with that a/f you will damage your motor. Keep us up to date when ya it all worked out.
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Have you had the car tuned? I have seen people run more timing with large shots of nitrous than that!

If you have had it tuned you should shoot who done it.

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Please tell me this isn't the final tune......BOOM! Too lean........
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Those are nice #'s, but u need to get it tuned correctly like the other said. U should be in the 430 rwhp range.
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I agree that is a locked graph, if it was unlocked the converter spikes up at first then down, your torque starts down then peaks around 5000. talking about spikes but youv got a nice 10hp spike at the end also 5800 - 5600 is 200 rpm not 2000. who programed it with only 21 degrees timing I dont think it would rev that high with that little timing. your story dont Jive, get the thing worked out and get back to us
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I'm glad to see that you have the new setup running. However, you do need to get it tuned ASAP! The graph does look like it's a locked run, but those Vig converters are not very efficient. I lost 25 RWHP swapping from the stock converter to the Vig 3200 in my '02 SS. With all of the bolt-ons (long tube headers, off-road y-pipe, induction, ASP crank pulley, etc.) and stock internals, my car was only making 315 RWHP unlocked and 333 RWHP locked. However, it did run a best of 12.04 @ 111 MPH with a 3,500# raceweight. With MTI stage II 5.3L heads shaved .030" and our 228R camshaft, my SS was consistently making 385 RWHP unlocked and 405 RWHP locked. That was fully tuned and ready to go. You still have power left on the table.

Feel free to e-mail or call me if you're interested in trying a TCI torque converter. We went a best of 1.43 60' N/A with our heads/cam Z28 with the TCI Competition 4400. I'm also running a TCI converter in my SS with the 200-4R conversion, and it has worked VERY well! I've put 650 RWHP down through this converter, and it has taken every bit of abuse. I'll also be glad to help you pick the right stall speed for your setup if you're uncertain. I've tried 12 different LS1 converters from Yank, Precision Industries, and TCI, so I have a little insight.

Let me know if I can help, and congrats on the numbers. You only have higher to go!

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