M6HuggerSS

i just want to start off by saying ive been reading on this site for 5 months and have learned so much from all you guys...thanks; you all are so smart and seem to be very help full....i need help.
im in CA and really would like to put together a 400+ rwhp H/C package.
i think i will go with either Patriots 5.3 or 5.7 stage 2 heads...
but im not sure on the cam...

its a weekand only car, 18K miles, NEEDS TO PASS CA SMOG,1500-6300 heard a 224/224 .565/.565 114 would pass
or a 222/222 .560/.560 114 ??

please help... and which head will best suite my needs, 5.3 or 5.7
any info would help. thanks.

Linear Velocity

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both those cams would pass smog, however you'd get an automatic fail for visual because of the long tubes.

Damian

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The 5.3L will be your best bet all around. 5.3's enable you to run more compression while retaining more PV clearance, therefor giving you more room for running a bigger cam...

I'd personally check out TEA's Stg 1.5 5.3L heads. They're making GREAT power, 2 yr warranty, and work great with mild cams as well. FMS offers some great cams as well, and could provide something to fit your needs. The FMS 226 cam on a 114 should pass emissions no problem, and EASILY make 400+ rwhp w/ a set of TEA's.....Check my sig for TEA/FMS results....Good luck

Josh

Ferocity02

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224/224 114 is the largest you can go, which is why I got one. It will not pass smog without a tune though. As mentioned, LT headers will give you an automatic failing. You need to keep your stock manifolds and y-pipe and put them back on for emmisions testing. You can leave the cam in if you get it tuned right. Where in Cali are you?

M6HuggerSS

im in san diego...i have a place to go smog that wont look around...under hood etc.

M6HuggerSS

hey ferocity...how do u like your cam....powerband...idle....driving character...etc...nice car, ilove that color.

Ferocity02

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You better hope they wont snoop around, most places are becoming really strict with the new fines against them if they pass an illegal car. LT headers are not something that are easily overlooked, especially since they will move your cats.

M6HuggerSS

thanks for your insight...just incase i saved all my old stuff...i hope i never need it though......so tell me about your cam.

01_SuperSlow

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After seeing how easily a 224/224 114 will pass smog, I don't see how a 226/226 114 will fail. There's guys running around with 224 112's and they pass emissions without a problem. Emissions on a 224 114 are really clean and far from failing.

Ferocity02

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I LOVE the cam, anyone who has it will say the same. It's not that big of a cam either. Power is great all across the powerband, I like the low end increase. The car has only died once. It drives very well, a little iffy the first couple drives. Idles nicely, has some lope but not a lot. I need to lower the idle, its about at 800 right now. I havent even gotten LT's or a tune, so the cam still has a ton of power to be had. Tuning will help the drivability also. The only thing I regret is the gas mileage. Tuning should help this too.

Thanks for the comments

Ferocity02

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224/224 114 do not easily pass smog. They can barely creek by. 112 does not stand a good chance of passing without some good tuning. 226/226 114 will also fail without heavy tuning, which can just rob you of some of the power the cam may be producing. None of these cams will pass without tuning. Some of the smaller ones can though.

JBsZ06

So you guys with 224/224 114 lsa and an ls1edit tune to improve drivabilty are not having any problem passing the emissions testing?

Do you need a seperate tune that runs somewhat lean? if so what A/f ratio do you need to set it up at?

Do you need a special tune to pass the sniffer? or do you just set it up as you would as a good performance tune and then you just pass?

Thanks as I'm looking to throw in a 224/224 114 lsa cam here in Jersey which is second only to california..

Thanks for any information ...

So far I'm digging this thread..

M6HuggerSS

thanks for all the good info...keep it coming.

JCorc5150

i know a guy who passed with a 224/224 .563/.563 114....Untuned...Did so quite easily

Ferocity02

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Well I'm getting 7.5 mpg so i dont think i will pass... I should put buckets on the exhaust tips to catch all of the extra gas.

JCorc5150

haha!!! I hear ya man!!!

SSBoy

Man,
Some People are soooooo quick to go out on the limb and say that if you have a 224/224 114lsa that you need a good tune. Says who? Lets put it this way. When Ihad my 98 SS this is the list of mods I had when i wen to get smogged i had:

FLP's with cats
TR 224/224 114lsa cam
LS6 Intake manifold (no egr)
Minimal Tuning.
When i say minimal, i mean only adusting the shiftpoints and adjusting the idle. I NEVER messed with the a/f, fuel tables, maps, egr, etc... ((( My EGR at the time was actually non functional. )))

I passed no problem! I think i was allowed a max of 55 Hydrocarbons on the 25mph test, and I registered 21 i think. Give or take one or two. As for the visual, geez all i did was pay the guy off and "he just didnt see those headers"

Its all about that LSA IMO. 114 is a good lsa for cal. Granted it pushes the powerband up a lil higher than the 112, but you know the saying, "you cant have your cake and eat it too"

Be more concerned with the "Sniffer" portion of the test. Theres ALWAYS ways around the "VISUAL"

01_SuperSlow

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Yes, 224/224 114 easily passes smog. With tuning a 224 112 will pass also. Why would you not want to tune anything bigger than a 220/220?. Tuning will not rob you any horsepower, it actually might increase it a bit and will decrease or eliminate surging, stalling, bucking, etc. It will even increase your gas mileage. I don't know what led you to believe that tuning will rob you horsepower. I said a 226 114 will very likely pass smog based on how easily a 224 114 does. BTW, I will be installing a G5X2 next week, how's that for smog?

goober35

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The GT2-3 cam would work for yaa. The inspector would never know you have a cam.

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