TTP Equalizer v3? FM14??
11-15-2010, 09:37 PM
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TTP Equalizer v3? FM14?? Looking at these 2 cams. Pretty similar in specs, TTP cam is 232/236 .610/.610
FM14 is 232/234 .598/.598
Car is the following:
LS6 intake
241 heads (valve job and bowl/throat blending, milled .020)
th350 4200 FTI stall
4.10 gear in an S60
28 tall tire
weight reduction (full a/c and heat gone, front sway, abs, cruise control, traction control, etc) couple hundred pounds gone.
Its a street car, with the occasional trip to the track. But I want it to get with the business when you mash the happy pedal. I dont really want to fly cut the pistons.
FM14 is 232/234 .598/.598
Car is the following:
LS6 intake
241 heads (valve job and bowl/throat blending, milled .020)
th350 4200 FTI stall
4.10 gear in an S60
28 tall tire
weight reduction (full a/c and heat gone, front sway, abs, cruise control, traction control, etc) couple hundred pounds gone.
Its a street car, with the occasional trip to the track. But I want it to get with the business when you mash the happy pedal. I dont really want to fly cut the pistons.
11-16-2010, 10:04 AM
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I would go with the F-14. Futral cams make a ton of power and based on the cam specs, you'll have more room with the F-14, as you said you don't want to flycut. I myself and trying to decide on a cam right now to go with my AFR heads and the F-14 seems to make the most sense for what I'm looking for. From what I've read, it's a great overall cam that will give you good under the curve power, but still hold it's own up top.
11-16-2010, 04:24 PM
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what would you like to know? I will say my last cam (226/230 .609/.588) went 11.90 at 118 when the car was a 6 speed, full weight. Im looking for bottom 11's now with the th350, weight reduction and 28 tall tire. Of course, that is pending traction. Car is a full suspension car. comp. eng. drag shocks in the rear set on 50/50, chassis mounted tq arm, lowers and relo brackets, panhard bar, QA1's in the front. no front sway.
11-18-2010, 09:48 AM
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However, I am not off base with the FM14 cam. I did a direct back to back swap on my own personal car a few years ago when the Fm14 first came out, and lost 12rwhp vs. the FM13. I went from 460rwhp to 448rwhp in one weekend thanks to the FM14. Since then I've probably installed half a dozen of them and never seen one put out impressive #'s. IMO, the 232/234 cam's really just aren't that good. I dunno what it is about that duration combo, but it doesn't work well judging by the 15-20 cams I've done with those specs. That goes for the FM14 and every other vendor out there with their out pet name to that cam duration.
So, that's being said. I'd say it should be a toss up between the FM13 and TTP cam. Not the FM14.
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11-18-2010, 10:05 AM
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Well, I can't comment on the TTP cam cause I've never used it so I could be "off base" saying the FM13 is better than that one.
However, I am not off base with the FM14 cam. I did a direct back to back swap on my own personal car a few years ago when the Fm14 first came out, and lost 12rwhp vs. the FM13. I went from 460rwhp to 448rwhp in one weekend thanks to the FM14. Since then I've probably installed half a dozen of them and never seen one put out impressive #'s. IMO, the 232/234 cam's really just aren't that good. I dunno what it is about that duration combo, but it doesn't work well judging by the 15-20 cams I've done with those specs. That goes for the FM14 and every other vendor out there with their out pet name to that cam duration.
So, that's being said. I'd say it should be a toss up between the FM13 and TTP cam. Not the FM14.
However, I am not off base with the FM14 cam. I did a direct back to back swap on my own personal car a few years ago when the Fm14 first came out, and lost 12rwhp vs. the FM13. I went from 460rwhp to 448rwhp in one weekend thanks to the FM14. Since then I've probably installed half a dozen of them and never seen one put out impressive #'s. IMO, the 232/234 cam's really just aren't that good. I dunno what it is about that duration combo, but it doesn't work well judging by the 15-20 cams I've done with those specs. That goes for the FM14 and every other vendor out there with their out pet name to that cam duration.
So, that's being said. I'd say it should be a toss up between the FM13 and TTP cam. Not the FM14.
That's good information to know; I wasn't aware of your comparrioson of the two. I've got a question for you then. I plan on doing a custom grind 231/234 110 LSA cam to complement my AFR 205 62cc heads. Since a 231/234 is very close to the 232/234 cam, would you recommend something else? I've contemplated a 230/230 110 LSA cam, would that be a better combination? I want to acheive 450 rwhp, yet keep good power under the curve. Car is a 02 WS6, six speed with long tubes and a dual exhaust. Any help you can give me would be great.
11-18-2010, 08:48 PM
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That's good information to know; I wasn't aware of your comparrioson of the two. I've got a question for you then. I plan on doing a custom grind 231/234 110 LSA cam to complement my AFR 205 62cc heads. Since a 231/234 is very close to the 232/234 cam, would you recommend something else? I've contemplated a 230/230 110 LSA cam, would that be a better combination? I want to acheive 450 rwhp, yet keep good power under the curve. Car is a 02 WS6, six speed with long tubes and a dual exhaust. Any help you can give me would be great.
-I do not like or run 110lsa cams
-I like at least 4-6 degrees of split in most street applications
-I think using a high 220's intake duration/low 230's exhaust is the best way to keep power under the curve. When you start getting into the 230's on both side, you start giving up power down low. One solid word of advice = Do not believe everything you read on the internet.
-Haven't used enough AFR heads to tell you what works best with them.
Tony @ AFR would probably be the best to ask about which cam profiles would compliment the flow characteristics of his heads. I know he likes the 224/228 profile, and the Cam Motion version of that cam is bad ***.
11-19-2010, 10:04 AM
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Well, I'm probably the wrong person to ask about that cam because:
-I do not like or run 110lsa cams
-I like at least 4-6 degrees of split in most street applications
-I think using a high 220's intake duration/low 230's exhaust is the best way to keep power under the curve. When you start getting into the 230's on both side, you start giving up power down low. One solid word of advice = Do not believe everything you read on the internet.
-Haven't used enough AFR heads to tell you what works best with them.
Tony @ AFR would probably be the best to ask about which cam profiles would compliment the flow characteristics of his heads. I know he likes the 224/228 profile, and the Cam Motion version of that cam is bad ***.
-I do not like or run 110lsa cams
-I like at least 4-6 degrees of split in most street applications
-I think using a high 220's intake duration/low 230's exhaust is the best way to keep power under the curve. When you start getting into the 230's on both side, you start giving up power down low. One solid word of advice = Do not believe everything you read on the internet.
-Haven't used enough AFR heads to tell you what works best with them.
Tony @ AFR would probably be the best to ask about which cam profiles would compliment the flow characteristics of his heads. I know he likes the 224/228 profile, and the Cam Motion version of that cam is bad ***.
Thanks Damian. I've spent countless hours doing research, looking at dyno graphs, etc. trying to figure out what cam would best suite my goals and setup. Can I ask you what makes Cam Motion cams so good? Is that who you would recommend using? Whatever cam I decide on, I'm going to have Futral Motorsports grind it, and I know they use Cam Motion lobes.
11-19-2010, 11:01 AM
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Thanks Damian. I've spent countless hours doing research, looking at dyno graphs, etc. trying to figure out what cam would best suite my goals and setup. Can I ask you what makes Cam Motion cams so good? Is that who you would recommend using? Whatever cam I decide on, I'm going to have Futral Motorsports grind it, and I know they use Cam Motion lobes.
Futral's "F5" cam is the 224/228. You could easily go down to 59cc and still have plenty of room. That setup would whoop *** I think. I've done a few Ported 243/F5 cam setups the past couple of years and the midrange TQ is unbelievable.
11-19-2010, 12:31 PM
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Cam Motion has a different way of doing things than comp. I like their lobe profiles a lot better, and their cams generally seem to drive better and make more power. If I build an engine with a Comp Cam, it's because the customer wanted to Comp. If they leave it up to me, it gets a Cam Motion cam.
Futral's "F5" cam is the 224/228. You could easily go down to 59cc and still have plenty of room. That setup would whoop *** I think. I've done a few Ported 243/F5 cam setups the past couple of years and the midrange TQ is unbelievable.
Futral's "F5" cam is the 224/228. You could easily go down to 59cc and still have plenty of room. That setup would whoop *** I think. I've done a few Ported 243/F5 cam setups the past couple of years and the midrange TQ is unbelievable.
Thanks a lot for all the information, I'll definately look into the F5. I'm fairly new to all this and just want to do it right the first time.
