Ring Gap - How loose is too loose
#1
Ring Gap - How loose is too loose
First time rebuild here. I picked up a 99 LS1 that was allegedly rebuilt w/ new rings/bearings/gaskets/etc. Don't have any specs (Manufacturer unknown) for the rings, but after a minimal hone (Machinist says .0005), I'm trying to re-use the rings that came with the motor.
Trouble is, they are all fairly consistent at .023/.028 (Top/Bottom). Bore is STD, plus the hone (3.8985?), so I'm definitely loose over the general recommendation of .015/.020.
Motor is going to be carbeurated, and going into a low-mileage '70 Chevelle, with a 100 shot on top. It is a stock rebuild, re-using all stock parts. Am I clear to continue, or do I need new rings. If so, any rec's on a part #?
Second ring example:
-TWG
Trouble is, they are all fairly consistent at .023/.028 (Top/Bottom). Bore is STD, plus the hone (3.8985?), so I'm definitely loose over the general recommendation of .015/.020.
Motor is going to be carbeurated, and going into a low-mileage '70 Chevelle, with a 100 shot on top. It is a stock rebuild, re-using all stock parts. Am I clear to continue, or do I need new rings. If so, any rec's on a part #?
Second ring example:
-TWG
Last edited by TWG; 12-22-2010 at 05:24 PM.
#2
PISTON RINGS:
Top Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp. Gap Clocking: None Required
Top Comp. End Gap (P): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149"
Top Comp. End Gap (SL): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149" Max.
Top Comp. Groove (P):0.04-0.085mm / 0.00157-0.003346"
Top Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.085mm/0.00157-0.003346"Max.
2nd Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp Gap Clocking: None Required
2nd Comp. End Gap (P): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251"
2nd Comp. End gap (SL): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251" Max.
2nd Comp. Groove (P): 0.04-0.08mm / 0.00157-0.003149"
2nd Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.08mm/0.00157-0.003149"Max.
Oil Cont. Rail Thickness (2): 3.00mm / .188" (EACH)
Oil Cont. Top Rail Gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Top Ring
Oil Cont. 2nd Rail gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Expander
Oil Cont. End Gap (P): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271"
Oil Cont. End Gap (SL): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271" Max.
Oil Cont. Groove (P): 0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866"
Oil Cont. Groove (SL):0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866" Max.
Top Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp. Gap Clocking: None Required
Top Comp. End Gap (P): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149"
Top Comp. End Gap (SL): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149" Max.
Top Comp. Groove (P):0.04-0.085mm / 0.00157-0.003346"
Top Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.085mm/0.00157-0.003346"Max.
2nd Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp Gap Clocking: None Required
2nd Comp. End Gap (P): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251"
2nd Comp. End gap (SL): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251" Max.
2nd Comp. Groove (P): 0.04-0.08mm / 0.00157-0.003149"
2nd Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.08mm/0.00157-0.003149"Max.
Oil Cont. Rail Thickness (2): 3.00mm / .188" (EACH)
Oil Cont. Top Rail Gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Top Ring
Oil Cont. 2nd Rail gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Expander
Oil Cont. End Gap (P): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271"
Oil Cont. End Gap (SL): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271" Max.
Oil Cont. Groove (P): 0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866"
Oil Cont. Groove (SL):0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866" Max.
#3
PISTON RINGS:
Top Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp. Gap Clocking: None Required
Top Comp. End Gap (P): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149"
Top Comp. End Gap (SL): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149" Max.
Top Comp. Groove (P):0.04-0.085mm / 0.00157-0.003346"
Top Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.085mm/0.00157-0.003346"Max.
2nd Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp Gap Clocking: None Required
2nd Comp. End Gap (P): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251"
2nd Comp. End gap (SL): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251" Max.
2nd Comp. Groove (P): 0.04-0.08mm / 0.00157-0.003149"
2nd Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.08mm/0.00157-0.003149"Max.
Oil Cont. Rail Thickness (2): 3.00mm / .188" (EACH)
Oil Cont. Top Rail Gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Top Ring
Oil Cont. 2nd Rail gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Expander
Oil Cont. End Gap (P): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271"
Oil Cont. End Gap (SL): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271" Max.
Oil Cont. Groove (P): 0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866"
Oil Cont. Groove (SL):0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866" Max.
Top Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp. Gap Clocking: None Required
Top Comp. End Gap (P): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149"
Top Comp. End Gap (SL): 0.23-0.38mm / 0.009-0.0149" Max.
Top Comp. Groove (P):0.04-0.085mm / 0.00157-0.003346"
Top Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.085mm/0.00157-0.003346"Max.
2nd Comp. Thickness: 1.500mm / 0.59"
Top Comp Gap Clocking: None Required
2nd Comp. End Gap (P): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251"
2nd Comp. End gap (SL): 0.44-0.64mm / 0.0173-0.0251" Max.
2nd Comp. Groove (P): 0.04-0.08mm / 0.00157-0.003149"
2nd Comp. Groove (SL):0.04-0.08mm/0.00157-0.003149"Max.
Oil Cont. Rail Thickness (2): 3.00mm / .188" (EACH)
Oil Cont. Top Rail Gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Top Ring
Oil Cont. 2nd Rail gap Clocking: 25 degrees from Expander
Oil Cont. End Gap (P): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271"
Oil Cont. End Gap (SL): 0.18-0.69mm / 0.007-0.0271" Max.
Oil Cont. Groove (P): 0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866"
Oil Cont. Groove (SL):0.01-0.22mm / 0.0004-0.00866" Max.
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#8
TECH Resident
Wait a minute, did you say after a hone job, you are using the old rings, NO WAY.
Talk to your machinist, if he thinks used rings will work, find a new machine shop.
That will never work, has been proven to fail many times.
Talk to your machinist, if he thinks used rings will work, find a new machine shop.
That will never work, has been proven to fail many times.