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Old 03-22-2012, 10:28 AM
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Hey all, I'm just finishing break-in and until now the oil has looked perfect. It was changed a few days ago. I just checked the level and noticed 7 or 8 sand (or smaller) sized fragments of dark gray metal on the dipstick. One thing that may be related is that until today the engine has had a mild sewing machine sound as is pretty typical for a cammed car. It has a Torquer V2 in it with 7.4 hardened push rods, PRC 5.3 stage 2.5 heads with PRC's double valve springs. It seems as though the sewing machine sound is much better today.
Is it possible that something was slightly off in the valve train and finally 'clearanced' itself, and everything is fine now, or am I in for trouble?
I cleaned the stick off and checked it again and it came up clean.
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Sometimes you get stuff left over from machining which may end up in the filter, dipstick, or magnet. I would observe hot, at idle oil PSI and if your not getting any metal shaving after a final change or any glint/glitter in the oil I would run it.

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Hot idle oil pressure is about 37 lbs. She runs about 42 lbs. going down the highway. I haven't got to floor it and see what it does at full song. I don't really trust my gauges either. The car is an 89 Trans Am GTA with 256,000 miles that was converted to an LS1/4l60e. The voltage has read 8 or 9 volts since the conversion even though the battery has not shown any signs of not charging properly. Tons of cranking power every time and it has around 1,000 miles now. Don't know what it was like before the conversion because it was barely running with the L98 and wasn't driven.
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It has a ported LS6 oil pump on it and LS7 lifters, if that helps.
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Yea, you should be fine. On a stocker pump and cammed I run consistant 60-65 and idles in the 40's hot but again until you have a real guage on there you gotta go with what you have.

In your case I would feel ok driving it. IF your reall worried, yank the heads, check the lifters. But thats extreme.
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Change the oil now to get any junk out and and cut the filter open and have a look. A UOA may be helpful too if you think you have a problem..
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Originally Posted by SOMbitch
Change the oil now to get any junk out and and cut the filter open and have a look. A UOA may be helpful too if you think you have a problem..
That being the other thing that I'd do. My exp with machining is that sometimes stuff gets stuck. Thats why before final assembly its good to completely wash out the block and go from there.

Let us know what happens.
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Originally Posted by sombitch
. A uoa may be helpful too if you think you have a problem..
uoa??
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Had the oil changed today and it looked good for 4 day old oil. Can't find anything else but then again the shop that changed it didn't want to cut the filter open.
She's running like a top. I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for the advice.

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Originally Posted by prokilllsx
uoa??
Used Oil Analysis ... will tell you if there's lots of metal in the oil, and what the metal is most likely coming from.
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Originally Posted by prokilllsx
Can't find anything else but then again the shop that changed it didn't want to cut the filter open.
Why not? ... you better get that filter and cut it open yourself. Seeing what's trapped in the filter's pleats is going to tell you if anything major is happening or not.
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Originally Posted by prokilllsx
the shop that changed it
This is your first problem.
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Originally Posted by 2QuikTA
This is your first problem.
understood.
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Used Oil Analysis ... will tell you if there's lots of metal in the oil, and what the metal is most likely coming from.
How do you go about getting one done?
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Originally Posted by prokilllsx
How do you go about getting one done?
Contact this place:
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/
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prokilllsx if you dont mind me asking what type of break in procedures did you go about using? I did alot of reading on hard break-ins and I'm really leaning towards that route.
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20 min.s changing rpm btwn 2500 and 3500, oil change, 300 miles easy on the throttle, oil change, 500 miles easy on the throttle, oil change, 200 miles easy on throttle - found metal, oil change. Everything seems perfect now but the dyno is going to tell the story here in about 4 hours.
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Have you ever broke in a motor that way before, and if so how did it work out for you? I've read a lot of bad things about easy break ins.
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In for dyno numbers and pics of the car. A small amount after a rebuild would not worry me too much as long as there is no more
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Originally Posted by prokilllsx
20 min.s changing rpm btwn 2500 and 3500, oil change, 300 miles easy on the throttle, oil change, 500 miles easy on the throttle, oil change, 200 miles easy on throttle - found metal, oil change. Everything seems perfect now but the dyno is going to tell the story here in about 4 hours.
there's no need to change oil 4 times within 500 miles for a break in period jesus..


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