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Old 08-02-2012, 02:45 PM
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Default Ls1 bolt on's w/Nitrous, who to tune?

I currently have Pacesetter Lt's/tsp oryp, no muffler, 4.10's, SLP lid on the stock pcm. I want to add a 125 shot and was wondering how to go about getting this thing tuned. Should I have frost tune it w/o the nitrous thrown in and get a hand tuner to pull timing for the shot?
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Where are you located?

You can use a timing tuner like the horsepower in a box product that allows you to pull timing along with it's capabilities as a window switch and it even has a time delay for the nitrous.

LPE also has a two-step w/ timing retard function.
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
Where are you located?

You can use a timing tuner like the horsepower in a box product that allows you to pull timing along with it's capabilities as a window switch and it even has a time delay for the nitrous.

LPE also has a two-step w/ timing retard function.

I'm from Toledo, Ohio there is a shop here that dyno's and tunes but they are more into the evo's and other 4g63 family car's I will look into the horsepower in a box, Thanks!
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Tune will be the life or death of your motor on nitrous. Do it right, get a live tune or forget about it.
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A Timing Tuner can go a long way for you, look into one.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Tune will be the life or death of your motor on nitrous. Do it right, get a live tune or forget about it.
Going to disagree with you here.

Pulling timing is pulling timing. No other way to look at it.

Wet kit doesn't need anything other than fuel jet to get the nitrous fuel enrichment where it should be.
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
Going to disagree with you here.

Pulling timing is pulling timing. No other way to look at it.

Wet kit doesn't need anything other than fuel jet to get the nitrous fuel enrichment where it should be.
Does your method work? Yes.
Is it optimized?
NO

Jets are not always perfectly matched for said setup. Why? There is a 3rd element critical to combustion and that one is not metered so fuel curves need be adjusted for optimum gain and performance.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Does your method work? Yes.
Is it optimized?
NO

Jets are not always perfectly matched for said setup. Why? There is a 3rd element critical to combustion and that one is not metered so fuel curves need be adjusted for optimum gain and performance.
You're getting into details that most definately don't apply in this thread.

Only skilled and experienced Nitrous tuners get that involved.
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Originally Posted by Firehawk441
You're getting into details that most definately don't apply in this thread.

Only skilled and experienced Nitrous tuners get that involved.
Wow you agree with me!

JP....

If it was a dry kit then yes, but I've never needed to adjust my fuel curve or any others for a wet kit as long as the tune was in the right ballpark on motor meaning 12.9-13.2 AFR and not some crazy timing advance.
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
Wow you agree with me!
I agree with both of you.

PREDATOR-Z is referring to Engine Management. The novelist will probably get himself into trouble attempting it.

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Originally Posted by Firehawk441
I agree with both of you.

PREDATOR-Z is referring to Engine Management. The novelist will probably get himself into trouble attempting it.
It's all good

I have never had to adjust my fuel curves actually on nitrous.

If you make sure your VE table is correct and within 1-2 error percentage on motor and you're commanding the correct fuel multiplier in PE then I don't see why fuel jets won't get you where you need to be.
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
I don't see why fuel jets won't get you where you need to be.
Depends on where one wants to be.

We race multiple 8.50 Index cars with fuel jets.
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Originally Posted by Firehawk441

Only skilled and experienced Nitrous tuners get that involved.
I have to agree with that.
Neebies think they know it all and don't get it.
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So then what do you think tuners like Steve Johnson or Jeff Prock do with a guy with carb(s)?

Are you saying that they aren't experienced or extracting every single amount of power from those cars?

And I am far from a newbie...
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If you're talking to me Fbodyflunkie, then you have me confused with someone interested in anything you have to say.
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i think he should run a stand alone tank with diesel
for its cetane rating. diesels like nitrous...
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Originally Posted by firehawk 385
If you're talking to me Fbodyflunkie, then you have me confused with someone interested in anything you have to say.
Lol... Interested enough to respond though.
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This has turned from how do I pull timing to advanced nitrous tuning.

Get a timing tuner or have your tuner pull timing from your tune.
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I have a buddy attempting to tune in a 100 shot wet kit on a 01 vette only using a crane programmer to pull timing...personally I would have got a live tune but we will see what happens I guess
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The one good thing about a timing tuner in this case and many others is that it allows you to run full N/A timing while not spraying nitrous and allows you to pull timing while spraying nitrous.

If you have your tuner pull timing from your tune, unless you own HPT yourself or whatever program he used to pull the timing with, you won't be able to put your timing back to where it was N/A and you're stuck with nitrous timing. Is it the end of the world? No, but most people with street cars aren't driving around with their nitrous on 24/7. If it were a race car like mine then by all means use HPT like I do to pull timing and plot your own timing retard curve. 9/10 this isn't needed in a car like the OP's or most people on this site.



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