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02-19-2013, 04:47 PM
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Ms4??? I want to do a heads cam set up here in the near future and am trying to come up with the best combo.. i have been researching and reading and reading some more with a little bit more reading haha but for some reason i am set on an ms4 cam set up cause Im trying to be as fast as i can all motor and was trying to get some opinions on this set up.. my goal is the fastest quarter mile i can possibly get and im going to be daily driving it but not in snow or rain only on beautiful days where i can have the t-tops off.. i don't mind drive-ability too much cause i like paying for gas and staying in high rpms... anyways..... Im thinking ms4 cam with PRC 215cc heads (since TSP set record for the quarter mile) maybe a better intake and 4:10 gears..prob a ford 9in with drag tires.. i already have all mods listed in my sig and of course i will be doing all other mods that go with it such as timing chain oil pump ect ect.. im only gunna spin it up to 6500 rpms at the most..my goal is to hit 500hp and..... (if i need it) a 50 shot of nos to get me to 550hp and max out my stock bottom end ls1 Im trying to be as fast as i can all motor maybe a shot of nos if i lose a race haha any opinions, suggestions, experiences, facts or anything you guys can give me would be awesome
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/732392-recipe-500-rwhp-heads-cam.html
this thread helps a lot, that may to big a cam read camshaft selection then go pick your cam, because its vital hitting 500rwhp. your gonna need some high compression for that 500 mark probably north of 11:1.
i am on that quest as well. here is my thread
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ggestions.html
remember every bit counts, and its expensive. im probably going to go with some AFR heads, i have yet to year from Tony Mamo.....(looking at tony, i know he's a busy guy)
good luck!!
this thread helps a lot, that may to big a cam read camshaft selection then go pick your cam, because its vital hitting 500rwhp. your gonna need some high compression for that 500 mark probably north of 11:1.
i am on that quest as well. here is my thread
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ggestions.html
remember every bit counts, and its expensive. im probably going to go with some AFR heads, i have yet to year from Tony Mamo.....(looking at tony, i know he's a busy guy)
good luck!!
02-19-2013, 08:26 PM
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You definitely have a good idea in mind if you don't mind a max effort setup. I would suggest the MS4 matched up with our PRC 227s instead of the PRC 215s as they are better in every aspect for what your trying to achieve. Feel free to give us a call or send us a message and we will be happy to go over some ideas with you or answer any questions you might have.
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I want to do a heads cam set up here in the near future and am trying to come up with the best combo.. i have been researching and reading and reading some more with a little bit more reading haha but for some reason i am set on an ms4 cam set up cause Im trying to be as fast as i can all motor and was trying to get some opinions on this set up.. my goal is the fastest quarter mile i can possibly get and im going to be daily driving it but not in snow or rain only on beautiful days where i can have the t-tops off.. i don't mind drive-ability too much cause i like paying for gas and staying in high rpms... anyways..... Im thinking ms4 cam with PRC 215cc heads (since TSP set record for the quarter mile) maybe a better intake and 4:10 gears..prob a ford 9in with drag tires.. i already have all mods listed in my sig and of course i will be doing all other mods that go with it such as timing chain oil pump ect ect.. im only gunna spin it up to 6500 rpms at the most..my goal is to hit 500hp and..... (if i need it) a 50 shot of nos to get me to 550hp and max out my stock bottom end ls1 Im trying to be as fast as i can all motor maybe a shot of nos if i lose a race haha any opinions, suggestions, experiences, facts or anything you guys can give me would be awesome
are you running a stock bottom end, pistons?
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02-20-2013, 12:46 PM
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Fast all motor with an all out cam requires max everything. Max compression, 4.10+ rearend, big headers, ported FAST, high flow heads and lots of RPM. All at the expense of drivability.
If you went with a milder cam, you could make more average power over a broader, more usable RPM band and be faster without having to sink a ton of money into the car.
Something like the Tick SNS2 227/234 110+3 with PRC Stage 1 LS6 heads would make a very stout combo.
If you went with a milder cam, you could make more average power over a broader, more usable RPM band and be faster without having to sink a ton of money into the car.
Something like the Tick SNS2 227/234 110+3 with PRC Stage 1 LS6 heads would make a very stout combo.
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Fast all motor with an all out cam requires max everything. Max compression, 4.10+ rearend, big headers, ported FAST, high flow heads and lots of RPM. All at the expense of drivability.
If you went with a milder cam, you could make more average power over a broader, more usable RPM band and be faster without having to sink a ton of money into the car.
Something like the Tick SNS2 227/234 110+3 with PRC Stage 1 LS6 heads would make a very stout combo.
If you went with a milder cam, you could make more average power over a broader, more usable RPM band and be faster without having to sink a ton of money into the car.
Something like the Tick SNS2 227/234 110+3 with PRC Stage 1 LS6 heads would make a very stout combo.
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02-20-2013, 02:00 PM
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Man, if you want big power, go big cubes. I wouldn't want to sacrifice the comfort of driving it on the street for a strip bruiser. When you MAX out, race for a small cube engine, streetability sucks.
02-20-2013, 02:35 PM
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I would do the PRC 227s better now and it'll leave you some room to grow. I have the 215s and trapped 122 in 3k-5k feet in a full weight car M6 car with no ram air.
02-20-2013, 03:13 PM
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If you truely don't mind the loss of driveability theres nothing wrong with building your top end now. Then when the stock bottom gives transfer your heads/cam over to the bigger engine. Going with a 227 will give you room to grow when you go bigger. My MS4 drives good IMO, nothing like stock but not bad enough that I want to kill myself. Other than bumper to bumper traffic I don't see anything wrong with it at all but people are different. You don't have killer torque below 3k but at 4k to 6800 it pulls extremely hard. My advice is to find someone with a big cammed car similar to what your going for and see if you could stand it everyday before go through with it. I love my car but I wouldn't want to drive it daily.
02-20-2013, 03:15 PM
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I have been looking at all of this myself. I have decided to do a ls3 swap instead of the head cam intake route. reason being. I can buy a used ls3 for less. make 430ish with bolt ons and have a better curve etc and much better platform to start with. cam and fast 102 would be knocking on 500 with no real strain on the motor.
unlike a highstrung ls1 on a 12+ year old bottom end and peaky in comparison power band.
for the money invested a ls3 or better swap is suggested. just my .02
unlike a highstrung ls1 on a 12+ year old bottom end and peaky in comparison power band.
for the money invested a ls3 or better swap is suggested. just my .02
02-20-2013, 03:24 PM
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No, you aren't going to be faster in the more budget oriented build than the more money one. But if you have a budget, an I implore you to set a budget and stick to it, you'll see that to get the most out of a big cam, you need to spend more.
And if you spend pretty much the same, guess what. You end up with more peak HP and a slower car with the big cam vs a cam designed for power under the curve.
As s346k said, peaky HP on an old bottom end is one way to skin a cat but there are other, better ways.
And if you spend pretty much the same, guess what. You end up with more peak HP and a slower car with the big cam vs a cam designed for power under the curve.
As s346k said, peaky HP on an old bottom end is one way to skin a cat but there are other, better ways.
02-20-2013, 03:30 PM
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Yea 3k-5k above sea level. And the car went 11.66 @ 120 with a few broken valve springs. I fixed the valve spring and got to make 1 pass. It trapped 122 and went 11.70 with a 1.89 60ft. Honestly though S346K has a point. Buy an LS3 and sell your LS1 for some of the money back. Some LS3 Vettes are breaking 500rwhp cam only. Finding a low mileage LS3 would cut some of the maintenance out to. Not having to replace 100k mile lifters, timing set, oil pump, no need for pulling the heads. It'd definately be something to consider.
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If you truely don't mind the loss of driveability theres nothing wrong with building your top end now. Then when the stock bottom gives transfer your heads/cam over to the bigger engine. Going with a 227 will give you room to grow when you go bigger. My MS4 drives good IMO, nothing like stock but not bad enough that I want to kill myself. Other than bumper to bumper traffic I don't see anything wrong with it at all but people are different. You don't have killer torque below 3k but at 4k to 6800 it pulls extremely hard. My advice is to find someone with a big cammed car similar to what your going for and see if you could stand it everyday before go through with it. I love my car but I wouldn't want to drive it daily.
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No, you aren't going to be faster in the more budget oriented build than the more money one. But if you have a budget, an I implore you to set a budget and stick to it, you'll see that to get the most out of a big cam, you need to spend more.
And if you spend pretty much the same, guess what. You end up with more peak HP and a slower car with the big cam vs a cam designed for power under the curve.
As s346k said, peaky HP on an old bottom end is one way to skin a cat but there are other, better ways.
And if you spend pretty much the same, guess what. You end up with more peak HP and a slower car with the big cam vs a cam designed for power under the curve.
As s346k said, peaky HP on an old bottom end is one way to skin a cat but there are other, better ways.
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I have been looking at all of this myself. I have decided to do a ls3 swap instead of the head cam intake route. reason being. I can buy a used ls3 for less. make 430ish with bolt ons and have a better curve etc and much better platform to start with. cam and fast 102 would be knocking on 500 with no real strain on the motor.
unlike a highstrung ls1 on a 12+ year old bottom end and peaky in comparison power band.
for the money invested a ls3 or better swap is suggested. just my .02
unlike a highstrung ls1 on a 12+ year old bottom end and peaky in comparison power band.
for the money invested a ls3 or better swap is suggested. just my .02