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When I swapped from long tubes to mid lengths (ground clearance) you can actually feel when the mids come into power. The longs were seamless but the mids are almost like the switch from a bigger cam/port. I have plenty of low end so it wasn't a concern.
I have not been on a dyno and do not know where timing should be for peak tq or hp. Compounded by the terrible issue of I have not seen knock all the way up to 33* at peak tq.
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Mamo 220's at 60cc Hollow intake valves Johnson SLR non link bar Yella 1.7 rockers shimmed for proper wipe Manton Series 4 11/32" custom rods .040" gasket .032" quench verified 11.56SCR 8.95DCR on 93 Oct gas 225/227 cam Fast 102 Everything mamofied Holley 90mm TB ATI balancer Turn one PS pump LS3 WP 525cc FIC flow matched (actually 568cc at 3 bar) Yes they are overkill lol Monster twin plate 45lbs standard T-56 F-body gearing to a 4.10 rear on 25" tire 1 7/8" mid lengths into dual 3" magnaflow cats. Dual 2.5" after that.
Sorry for the hijack Darth. Just really impressed by your numbers and a little excited about what I could pull off. On a stock LS1 and 225 wide 70$ sumitomos I pulled a 12.2 and a 2.0 60'. Is it 11.5 that you are supposed to have 5pt bar?
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Damn Darth, now you've got me scurred. We've got almost the same motor minus a couple degrees on the cam and I'm at least 6-800 lbs less. With my gearing I top out at 118 in 4th. Pretty sure my diff would explode with any kind of launch. Plus....no cage.
Okay maybe more on the cam. Forgot you went LLSR and a bigger cam. I'm still on the 225/227+114 with Johnson SLR lifters.
Okay maybe more on the cam. Forgot you went LLSR and a bigger cam. I'm still on the 225/227+114 with Johnson SLR lifters.
LOL! And that'll probably kill the back half, but that'd be crazy.
If you look at it like a street race (which I CAN talk from experience) you'd be getting gapped on the upshift, catching up when you hit peak power, and falling back again on the upshift.
When I swapped from long tubes to mid lengths (ground clearance) you can actually feel when the mids come into power. The longs were seamless but the mids are almost like the switch from a bigger cam/port. I have plenty of low end so it wasn't a concern.
I have not been on a dyno and do not know where timing should be for peak tq or hp. Compounded by the terrible issue of I have not seen knock all the way up to 33* at peak tq.
I have not been on a dyno and do not know where timing should be for peak tq or hp. Compounded by the terrible issue of I have not seen knock all the way up to 33* at peak tq.
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Mamo 220's at 60cc Hollow intake valves Johnson SLR non link bar Yella 1.7 rockers shimmed for proper wipe Manton Series 4 11/32" custom rods .040" gasket .032" quench verified 11.56SCR 8.95DCR on 93 Oct gas 225/227 cam Fast 102 Everything mamofied Holley 90mm TB ATI balancer Turn one PS pump LS3 WP 525cc FIC flow matched (actually 568cc at 3 bar) Yes they are overkill lol Monster twin plate 45lbs standard T-56 F-body gearing to a 4.10 rear on 25" tire 1 7/8" mid lengths into dual 3" magnaflow cats. Dual 2.5" after that.
Sorry for the hijack Darth. Just really impressed by your numbers and a little excited about what I could pull off. On a stock LS1 and 225 wide 70$ sumitomos I pulled a 12.2 and a 2.0 60'. Is it 11.5 that you are supposed to have 5pt bar?
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Unless I'm mistaken, on the cage thing, at the track, I think it's a 10.49et or 135mph.
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Killer run man. Unfortunately when you make a splash and progress things a big step forward, there will always be a little pushback.
More hp, tire, etc doesnt mean the car will run faster. Proper setup and a good driver will win out. Having more ci's doesnt make a car fast. The right gearing and setup to accelerate does. Having more cubic inches means that the car will make hp, but will be slower to spin up than 'v8ers. That's why a 402 or 416 will be slower given the same hp. 2 cars matched power wise, the one who does more rpm by the end of the run will win. Good hp on a dyno means nothing in a drag race, a lot of area under the curve combined with a high hp number does.
Took a lot of effort to get to this point man, enjoy the hate. You just set a new standard and bar for everyone to achieve...especially for a DD car basically...
More hp, tire, etc doesnt mean the car will run faster. Proper setup and a good driver will win out. Having more ci's doesnt make a car fast. The right gearing and setup to accelerate does. Having more cubic inches means that the car will make hp, but will be slower to spin up than 'v8ers. That's why a 402 or 416 will be slower given the same hp. 2 cars matched power wise, the one who does more rpm by the end of the run will win. Good hp on a dyno means nothing in a drag race, a lot of area under the curve combined with a high hp number does.
Took a lot of effort to get to this point man, enjoy the hate. You just set a new standard and bar for everyone to achieve...especially for a DD car basically...
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Originally Posted by nskyline34
Killer run man. Unfortunately when you make a splash and progress things a big step forward, there will always be a little pushback.
More hp, tire, etc doesnt mean the car will run faster. Proper setup and a good driver will win out. Having more ci's doesnt make a car fast. The right gearing and setup to accelerate does. Having more cubic inches means that the car will make hp, but will be slower to spin up than 'v8ers. That's why a 402 or 416 will be slower given the same hp. 2 cars matched power wise, the one who does more rpm by the end of the run will win. Good hp on a dyno means nothing in a drag race, a lot of area under the curve combined with a high hp number does.
Took a lot of effort to get to this point man, enjoy the hate. You just set a new standard and bar for everyone to achieve...especially for a DD car basically...
More hp, tire, etc doesnt mean the car will run faster. Proper setup and a good driver will win out. Having more ci's doesnt make a car fast. The right gearing and setup to accelerate does. Having more cubic inches means that the car will make hp, but will be slower to spin up than 'v8ers. That's why a 402 or 416 will be slower given the same hp. 2 cars matched power wise, the one who does more rpm by the end of the run will win. Good hp on a dyno means nothing in a drag race, a lot of area under the curve combined with a high hp number does.
Took a lot of effort to get to this point man, enjoy the hate. You just set a new standard and bar for everyone to achieve...especially for a DD car basically...
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It's cool man! FirebirdMuscle went into the tens on a Mamo top end also. I'm very curious to see your numbers also! I hate to admit this, I don't know the track rules that well. If that's true, then the track guys were cool, because I didn't get flagged or anything, and I don't have a cage. Just "nice run, man" and handed me the slip. And I don't WANT a cage.
Plus, being under 3000lb with driver makes things a lot easier on parts.
At a 7k shift point I'd be right at 127MPH at the top of 4th. When I said I topped at 119 I had forgotten that was at 6600RPM. The extra 400 RPM is worth another 8MPH.
I could fit a 4 point without too much drama but interior space is already at a premium. I'd rather get kicked off the track than run a 5pt or worse an 8pt cage.
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Cages in street cars does suck. I've been warned several times. That's one reason I'm gonna go run some 1/8 mile stuff and try and get the car to take off a little better. My localish 1/8 mile track is a outlaw track to. So they shouldn't give me a hard time.
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My car is below and an IRS. I'm sure you thought I had an f-body but I like to go around corners. :-) The pumpkin from the 06+ explorer works VERY well and it a lot stronger (thicker mounting ears) than the older 03-04 cobra pumpkin. 8.8 has not been broken in an RX-7 yet. Unless someone has not made a post about it on the other forms I troll.
Plus, being under 3000lb with driver makes things a lot easier on parts.
At a 7k shift point I'd be right at 127MPH at the top of 4th. When I said I topped at 119 I had forgotten that was at 6600RPM. The extra 400 RPM is worth another 8MPH.
I could fit a 4 point without too much drama but interior space is already at a premium. I'd rather get kicked off the track than run a 5pt or worse an 8pt cage.
Plus, being under 3000lb with driver makes things a lot easier on parts.
At a 7k shift point I'd be right at 127MPH at the top of 4th. When I said I topped at 119 I had forgotten that was at 6600RPM. The extra 400 RPM is worth another 8MPH.
I could fit a 4 point without too much drama but interior space is already at a premium. I'd rather get kicked off the track than run a 5pt or worse an 8pt cage.
I'm wondering if the 1/8 in Tuscon is outlaw. Be a drive, but at least I know I can drive it there and back. Completely agree on the cage.
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A buddy of my with a TT C5Z just gets thrown out repeatedly. Downside is you only get 1 pass...
I say cage it, you've gone too far to stop now... Then again, a cage is pretty invasive, so you might as well back-half it too...and since you're than far, just make it a tube chassis car. I mean, its logical right? jk, but a cage can be integrated REALLY well so that it's barely noticeable.
I say cage it, you've gone too far to stop now... Then again, a cage is pretty invasive, so you might as well back-half it too...and since you're than far, just make it a tube chassis car. I mean, its logical right? jk, but a cage can be integrated REALLY well so that it's barely noticeable.
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I see the word "hate" come up & I hope you're not thinking of me. What it is to me is a little "common sense" & "experience". I apologize to Darth. Nothing stated was against you or your awesome car. Only the time slip.
These usually don't get any feedback. Someone post a time slip of a car going 11.2 w/ a 2.1 60'. Or just think the Hulk helped the car out in the 60'-330' & then changed back to Bruce Banner.
Maybe the car really cut a 1.7-1.8 60'. That also would make it look right.
These usually don't get any feedback. Someone post a time slip of a car going 11.2 w/ a 2.1 60'. Or just think the Hulk helped the car out in the 60'-330' & then changed back to Bruce Banner.
Maybe the car really cut a 1.7-1.8 60'. That also would make it look right.
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This is just because he had a bad launch is all. That's why the 60' wasnt good. Compare his 60-330 time with a car that runs low tens - I bet they are comparable because once sorted out, he should be in the lower 10's range.
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I see the word "hate" come up & I hope you're not thinking of me. What it is to me is a little "common sense" & "experience". I apologize to Darth. Nothing stated was against you or your awesome car. Only the time slip.
These usually don't get any feedback. Someone post a time slip of a car going 11.2 w/ a 2.1 60'. Or just think the Hulk helped the car out in the 60'-330' & then changed back to Bruce Banner.
Maybe the car really cut a 1.7-1.8 60'. That also would make it look right.
These usually don't get any feedback. Someone post a time slip of a car going 11.2 w/ a 2.1 60'. Or just think the Hulk helped the car out in the 60'-330' & then changed back to Bruce Banner.
Maybe the car really cut a 1.7-1.8 60'. That also would make it look right.
Tone of voice doesn't carry with posts, so I try to be careful how I word things and take things. Mike Morris has said repeatedly you're a cool guy, and I believe him. Seriously, no hard feelings In a way, I guess I felt like I was getting blasted for admitting to being a bad driver, because most people would wait until they had a good launch to post. It's almost like the above 10.8@129 would have been more believable - and I was disappointed I didn't get that TBH.
BTW, BR0s were trapping 13.8-14.5 all night long, so that was fun!
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A buddy of my with a TT C5Z just gets thrown out repeatedly. Downside is you only get 1 pass...
I say cage it, you've gone too far to stop now... Then again, a cage is pretty invasive, so you might as well back-half it too...and since you're than far, just make it a tube chassis car. I mean, its logical right? jk, but a cage can be integrated REALLY well so that it's barely noticeable.
I say cage it, you've gone too far to stop now... Then again, a cage is pretty invasive, so you might as well back-half it too...and since you're than far, just make it a tube chassis car. I mean, its logical right? jk, but a cage can be integrated REALLY well so that it's barely noticeable.
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You know, that could well be possible. I was butthurt at my launch time. The slip I bogged, the car next to me ran a 1.8 60 and trapped 10.8@129. And his 330 was 4.5. Does that sort of work with what you're saying?
Tone of voice doesn't carry with posts, so I try to be careful how I word things and take things. Mike Morris has said repeatedly you're a cool guy, and I believe him. Seriously, no hard feelings In a way, I guess I felt like I was getting blasted for admitting to being a bad driver, because most people would wait until they had a good launch to post. It's almost like the above 10.8@129 would have been more believable - and I was disappointed I didn't get that TBH.
BTW, BR0s were trapping 13.8-14.5 all night long, so that was fun!
Tone of voice doesn't carry with posts, so I try to be careful how I word things and take things. Mike Morris has said repeatedly you're a cool guy, and I believe him. Seriously, no hard feelings In a way, I guess I felt like I was getting blasted for admitting to being a bad driver, because most people would wait until they had a good launch to post. It's almost like the above 10.8@129 would have been more believable - and I was disappointed I didn't get that TBH.
BTW, BR0s were trapping 13.8-14.5 all night long, so that was fun!
That is a very good example. A 1.8 60', 4.5 330', & a 10.9 @129mph. The car that ran that time had a time of about 2.7, 60'-330', with more velocity & speed all the way down the track. Still slower than the 2.6 on the runs you had. Hard to believe.
You definitely have a 10 second, six speed, N/A, 347 sorted out.
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10 sec six speed 347 yes. Sorted.......I think not. :-p Fix that driver malfunction. I pulled a couple 1.8 60' on 320 tread ware inter-tubes.
Don't worry Darth, you'll get there.
I bet that CF clutch and driveshaft free up a few ponies at least on the dyno over my setup. One note. When you do hook that clutch will be fighting you. Not a lot of mass.
Don't worry Darth, you'll get there.
I bet that CF clutch and driveshaft free up a few ponies at least on the dyno over my setup. One note. When you do hook that clutch will be fighting you. Not a lot of mass.