Fixxer99TA

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Hey all,

Just stepping into the mighty world of cams, and Im just wondering if I could get some info from you guys who know your cams (I know very little, lets say alot less than id like to know about cams )

Im looking to a cam as my next mod, as I just ordered LTs and as of next week my mods list will look like this :

-Pacesetter LTs
-Pacesetter ORY
-Hooker CB
-SLP lid, K&N
-!EGR !AIR
-stock everything else

The car is a daily driven (except winters and such) 1999 TA A4, and Im looking for something that will have a decent idle (noticeable but nothing extreme), dont mind much valvetrain noise, but would like to keep it so that it keeps its relyability....cant be breaking stuff left and right .... and my goal is to make around 400rwhp if at all possible...I plan to also do an LS6 intake after, or maybe before the cam swap...

Just looking for the best options for this, and anything else that could help me learn more about cams (ANYTHING! flames/suggestions/do's and donts are very welcome).

Thanks guys,
Nick

94form2000z

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Search and read would be my best one at this time.

SouthFL.02.SS

read the intro in the cam install section: www.ls1howto.com

An MTI X1 on a 114 lsa might be nice for ya.

400rwhp on an A4, cam-only is not very common.
PS. Would be nice to pair a nice stall converter with your cam selection.

J-Rod

Here is all the hardcore discussion. Lots of reading in these threads on cam design, etc..

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/101100-camshaft-discussion-part-ii.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/158394-camshaft-discussion-part-iii.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/163744-camshaft-discussion-cfm-requirements-rpm.html

Let me know if I can be of help.

Fixxer99TA

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Would a TR LS1 cam swap package with a cam of 224/227 114LSA be a good choice for my requirements?

Like i said, im trying to make the most amount of power without sacrificing the driveability of my car...

Also, when i said 400rwhp, i meant after the LS6 intake also.....but do you think that would take me fairly close to my goal when all is said and done? (tuning ect..)



(And thanks for the help before guys, Ive been sitting here reading all that and Im beginning to understand it much better, but still need some guidance!)

highgear

I don't think a cam that big will drive very well with a stock converter. If you need to keep the stock converter, then think about the Comp Cam Z06 street replacement cam. No tuning needed.
A cam like you listed will need tuning with an A4.

SouthFL.02.SS

I'd opt for the 227/224 114 reverse split:

This cam, with tuning and your LS6 intake and a stall will be great.

Z06 cam is tiny. hehe.

Fixxer99TA

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Cool, so you think the TR 227/224 114 reverse split would be great for my needs? I do intend to get it tuned right away, and the LS6 should be coming around the same time as the cam (Im going to try to order them togeather, so I can install them togeather and get it all tuned all at once).

Although I dont quite get the difference between a standard cam and a reverse split cam, anyone care to explain (if there is that much of a difference).

And, how will valvetrain noise/lopiness (is that a word? LOL) be with the 227/224 114? I definitely want to hear some lope! And the added valvetrain noise would be pretty sweet also

SouthFL.02.SS

The cam will lope due to it's split duration.
I keep stressing the importance of a stall converter.
It won't be close to 400rwhp, even w/ the ls6 intake (most A4's don't near 400rwhp cam-only), but you'll ET damn well.

Fixxer99TA

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This is the kit I was looking at, everything I would need is covered here, correct? (Also, will I need the Ti Retainers?)

- TR 227/224 114LSA camshaft
- Comp Cams 26918 Valve Springs
- Comp Cams 772 Titanium Retainers (They are an extra $100, will I need them?)
- Thunder Racing Stock Length Pushrods
- Cam Swap Gasket Kit for a 1999 TA

This along with a TCI 3500 or 3800 (Cant decide which??!?) stall and an LS6 intake is what I have planned...I gotta get saving

SouthFL.02.SS

When you call Thunder, they'll pair the right stall for the cam.
Tit. retainers are a good investment. They're not ABSOLUTELY necessary (I ran stock retainers on a cam-only setup for a while), but they're worth the investment- $100 well spent.
Good luck!

Fixxer99TA

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Thank you for your help man, you just cleared up alot of stuff I was clueless about before!

SouthFL.02.SS

No problem, that's the beauty of this site... toss up a question and someone will usually help you out.

DD966

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Just don't be disappointed if you you're about 30hp short of your 400 goal (since your gonna need matching ported heads for that number). You'll see the difference where it counts - at the track.

99ssleeper

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IMO, get a torque converter first. I have a Midwest 3500. It drives EXCELLENT around town and you'll get quite a gain from it. Then decide on a cam later because you wont be limited by the stock converter.

I have the 3500 stall, 3.73s, JetHot LTs, and the TR 224/224 .563"/.563" 114 cam. No tuning...idles and drives very nice. From the looks of things, the car should dyno 350-360 and run ~12.50s.

CHRISPY

Add a converter to your budget and install an LS6 intake at the same time. Tuning will be required for ANY cam that reaches 400RWHP in an A4 (I would lower the 400RWHP expectation to around 360RWHP)

With a good converter, mods listed and tuning you should have a great combo.

You have stock bottom end so I wouldnt turn the motor past 6500rpm.

If you go with a 3600+ stall I would look at something like a 230/230 on 112.

It'll peak at 6300rpm and make good power throughout the 3800-6400rpm range

Fixxer99TA

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Id hate to bring back an old thread, but Ive decided to wait a bit so I can fit more into the cam budget, but id like to make the most amount power I can while still allowing the car to be relyably driven each day, preferably without spring changes every 15k

(Basically I fit in a TC and LS6 so I can go as big as possible on the cam, but still keeping the car streetable, heh heh...)

Following the suggestions, this is what I plan to get all at once....

-TCI or Vig 3500 stall
-LS6 Intake
-Cam (and everything needed)

Questions :
1. Whats the most radical cam I could go with, while using a Vig/TCI 3500-3800, while still keeping the car relyably streetable (I think I'm makin up words here )

2. Would the stall allow me to go more radical on the cam, versus a stock converter?

3. What would be your guess on the most amount of power I could make using the following mods (just a rough estimate, trying to decide if i eventually want to do heads )

-Pacesetter coated LTs
-Pacesetter ORY
-Hooker Catback
-SLP lid/K&N
-Vig 3500-3800 (done at the time of cam installation)
-LS6 intake (done at the time of cam installation)
-Biggest Cam I could go with (dont know yet, but the most radical I could go given my application and current mods/needs)

I do not intend to tune after headers, but I want to install cam/stall/LS6 all at once so I will only have to tune once.

4. Im guesstimating this is going to be about $2,500 total, unless I can get some of it used.....is that about right?

5. Thats really it, but just give me some good ideas, since Im no cam guru but I would like to mod my car further than just bolt ons! Pros/Cons of each setup would also be very helpful in making my decision!

My AIM screen name is Fixxer777, feel free to IM me and knock some cam-sense into me.....in fact, PLEASE DO!!!!

Thanks again,
Nick

Fixxer99TA

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bump!

wish i was getting responses like before

FASTONE

The stall convertor won't really make the cam more streetable but will allow the idle to be higher for the bigger cam and allow a higher rpm launch,I guess that would make the car more streetable.The TR224 is a real good cam,call Thunder ------------------------------------>

Ferocity02

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Perhaps a 224/224 or a 228/228? All I can say is that its highly unlikely that you will get 400rwhp from a mild cam, A4, and stock heads, even with a ton of bolt-ons.