MBC Racing

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I am building a 383 and I need to get a new oil pump and a baffeled oil pan for autocross/road racing. I have a 00 f-body and doubt a vette pan will fit.

I see that Canton has one available. Is it any good???

Thanks
Brad

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Steve - Race Eng

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You should dry sump that engine for road racing if you want it to live. Dailey Engineering makes a dry sump pump and pan for the LS1 for racing use. The pump bolts directly to the pan eliminating a lot of lines and fittings.

They also have a single stage external pump that provides a lot more oil volume than the stock pump. This would still leave the pan a wet sump but if money is short it would be a lot better than the stock pump.

Dailey has photos on their web site: www.daileyengineering.com/

I can get you these parts if you reside outside of Ca. I'm wholesale only here.

Steve Demirjian
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mitchntx

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Brad, the issue is a sweeping left hander that allows the oil to climb the right side of the block, where the oil level sensor is. The baffle at the bottom of the pan is contoured and follows the pan's perimeter very well, except for that specific area.

There is a whole community out there working this issue.

http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?a...27&hl=oil+pan&

http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?a...=8&t=1227&hl=&

A band aid is to run 7qts of oil.

1fstTA

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how much for the dry sump setup on the site and can you supply pics of it installed

Steve - Race Eng

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The Dailey Engineering five stage pump runs $2,100. Oil pan with screens installed runs $1,800. You will need the ATI damper and pulley to drive the pump, belt, etc.

I don't have any photos here of an installed set up but I'll see what I can get from my contact at Dailey.

The prices are not cheap but when you consider you won't have to purchase a grand or more of hose and fittings it begins to look a lot more reasonable.

Steve

MBC Racing

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Mitchntx,
Thanks for the link. I didn't even know that site existed. I will be registering there today since I think a bunch of my questions may be answered there.
Brad

Steve - Race Eng

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My contact at Dailey sent me a photo of an engine sitting in the back of a pickup truck with their dry sump pump and pan installed. I know you were looking for one installed in a car but this is the best I can do at the moment.

John_D.

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I thought about getting a Canton pan, but without being able to get my hands on one to look at it, I wasn't sure if it would satisfy the requirement of being a structural member of the engine.

I have a BMR k-member now, and the pan hangs down below it. I've scraped my stock k-member before while autocrossing. Now the stock pan is the lowest thing there....

A dry sump doesn't hang down as low, which would be another advantage, if you will run other than a stock k-member.

mitchntx

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The Canton pan requires remote locating the oil filter. Another disavvantage, IMHO

MBC Racing

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Mitchntx,
What is the disadvantage? Has anyone come up with an alternative? I read the thread on the other forum, but nothing was concrete.
Thanks
Brad

mitchntx

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On a street car, where can you mount it?

You have to run the lines so close to the headers.

The only way to run the lines is straightt away from the block.

But his is all supposition based upon pictures and descriptions I've read on the internet. The dry sump rig like Steve describes is SWEET!. I believe you have o remove the AC compressor to mount it.

under_construction

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For simplicity, and retention of AC etc, consider an accusump style setup with an accumulator. They can hold up to 3qts of oil to feed back in the system in the event of pressure loss. Not as elegant, but also only $3-500 to set up depending on lines and valves.

You can feed into the oil galley plug behind the PS pump, it's a 16x1.5mm threaded port. Earls etc. have adapters to go in there.

A pretty cost effective solution until you can swing the full dry sump setup.

mitchntx

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I considered an Accusump ... but where to mount it?

Rob98Z

Found this when looking for something else and thought it might interest you?
Take a look ........Accusump on a Trans AM

mitchntx

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Thanks Rob ...

Initial observations ...

I don't know about having it hanging out there like that. And with no support, the vibrations would fatigue his mounting, especially aluminum stock.

The best place I've seen to mount it is ther passenger compartment, mounted like a fire extinguisher.

MBC Racing

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I agree with the fatigue of the mounts. It would need some type of verticle attachment.

I would personally not want anything with oil or fuel in my passenger compartment. It a hose breaks or leaks, you have a HUGE mess to clean up. Also, I still have full interior in my car and don't want it ruined.
Brad