Fixxer99TA

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Im looking to do a winter project this year, which includes doing a cam swap in the ole' TA. Ive been mainly looking at the TR 224/224 112 and was wondering if this cam would be good for an A4, stock stalled car. (will need to save for the tune, it will be coming.....just wanted to know if it would be possible for me to drive the car for a bit without the tune without it dieing on me every 3 seconds).


Also, since I really dont race the car (but will eventually, but not in the near future), would a double roller timing chain and the ported LS6 oil pump be required? Or can I get by without them and do them later when I get into racing it on a regular basis?

Sorry If it doesnt make much sense, wrote this at 1am and Im pretty much falling asleep in the middle of it

LS1FIRE

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You should definatley do a stall first b4 a cam swap. I would change out the timing chain and buy a ported ls6 pump springs and pushrods also when doing a cam swap. A stall is the one of the best mods you can do to an A4 ls1 car!

Fixxer99TA

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bump for more help, I am still wondering if i can drive it with stock tune without problems for awhile.....

And still wondering about the LS6 pump and the double roller chain, I dont race the car (its just a street car) so I figured it wouldent be needed.....any input on this?

luv2spd

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I think that if you plan on racing the car later, you might as well replace the oil pump and timing chain while doing the cam install. It's just good insurance and you won't have to worry so much about the chain breaking or oil pump failure at high rpm.

Fixxer99TA

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Now actually Im thinking of going for the TR 224/224 114, so i can get away with running stock tuning on the A4 for awhile, and get tuning later on.....

35th SS

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in the same boat.havent tried it out driving for long distance without a tune.been driving around the block with the ac on but sometimes it dies out.

juiSSed1172

mine idles ok on a 6 speed car once it warms up. It does die often though.


No way in hell on a A4 unless you drill the TB, which shouldn't be done as it's a bandaid for not being tuned.

2001 Pewter WS6

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I opened up the TB a little and it idles and runs fine. It raised the rpm's to around 750. You should get a converter though. The car will pull a bit with the rpm's raised. It will not idle in an A4 with out cracking the TB open a little or drilling out the TB a little.

juiSSed1172

I forgot to mention, my cam is a 224/224 563/563 112+4

35th SS

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this cam needs a tune to get it to idle right.mine idling @750rpm.

FatZ28

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My friend put the tr 231 in his car and it idled and ran fine on the stock tune however it was a m6. You might be able to get away with it on just cruising around town but its going to be more trouble then its worth.

Fixxer99TA

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Well, I dont mean for a long time, maybe a month at the most? (and this isnt a daily driver, i mean just taking it out for a cruise once and awhile......with the 112, if i cracked the TB open a bit to raise the idle, would I be able to get around without it dieing all the time?)

How about the same cam, just the 114? same deal?

CaptUSA

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It may not be the answer you're looking for, but it seems to be the best course of action would be to just hold off on the cam till next month when you're going to do the tune anyway. That way you won't have anything to worry about at all. A month is a long time to wait though. Did you already buy the 112lsa cam? If not, you should look more into the 114lsa cams for your A4 set-up. Good luck to you either way.

GTS346

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I wouldnt change oil pump unless your oil pressure is super low (my stock motor had 60PSI at 1,000rpm).
As for timing chain a factory chain has a fair bit of slack so don't think your stocker needs replacing because there is some slack.
But if your heart tells you to change both of these, then go with it as your right there when the cams getting switched. Takes another 20 minutes.

juiSSed1172

If you're there, do it. (IMO)

Just be sure that if you drop the oil pan to get to the oring, you align it carefully again and follow the torque specs. Oil leaks really suck.

Fixxer99TA

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Ok, so will the 224/224 114 run well on a stock stalled, stock tuned A4 LS1 for awhile? if not, what would be a better bet for me, as Id rather hold off on the tune for a bit (im not all **** about making huge amounts of power, I just want a nice gain with a cam thats light on springs, and sounds nice (much lope isnt a bad thing!)).

luv2spd

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I would think that it would if you crack the tb blade open a little.

riddler

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Save a month for the tune and do it all at once. Cam and access,Oil Pump,Double Roller and tune. You will not regret it and it will be trouble free and you will be worry free

slik98z

id say put off the cam personally, even if you get it, the stock stall probably woulnd't be able to take advantage of all the power the cam has to offer. get the car stalled first, gaurenteed you will be extremely happy with that mod even more so than the cam perhaps. for now atleast.

but if you do go with the cam, the 114 lsa tends to idle a bit better, but with an a4 car you will probably need to drill out the tb till you get tuning. or you can wait a month and do them both at the same time. the oil pump and timing chain are good insurance mods. 918 springs, titanium retainers and hardened pushrods is all i went with (224/228 114lsa .563/ .578 cam is what i went with) on a m6 car though. idles fine after she warms up, a/c on or off doesnt really matter.

Good luck with your choice let us know how it goes.
Travis

Predator

The problem is idle. Idle definitely needs to be tuned. You could get by without a tune, but fighting the crappy idle will grow old quick.

I didn't install a new oil pump and chain (14k), but it's a good idea if the funds are there.