Steve1969LS1

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Good News.. drove the car down to the dyno for baseline and tuning.. was running pretty good after the cam install but with the larger injectors im sure it was a bit rich. Here is what I installed

TR220 114LSA cam
Comp 918 springs with hardened pushrods
LS6 ported Oil Pump
Katech Tiiming Chain
30# Siemens Deka injectors

The rest of my mods are in my sig.. before the cam I was dynoing around 335rwhp and 342rwtq..

On the baseline pull:
357rwhp and 360rwtq

After some tuning:
369rwhp and 373rwtq

So thats a gain of 34rwhp and 30rwtq with the new cam through stock heads, shorty headers and factory cats <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> -- Im pretty happy with it and im smog legal still. Lots of lowend torque so the car is very fun to drive. Had to have a little more go to compliment the show <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Bad News: Noticed the volt guage reading low while driving to the shop. It was reading around 12v.. I was going to go to cruise night tonight but on the way home it just got worse and is now around 10v and throwing a SES code.. So as bad as I wanna show it off I will wait till next week after this is fixed..

Trojan T/A

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Nice numbers Steve. It is good to see some shorty headers and cam results.

Steve1969LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Trojan T/A:
<strong> Nice numbers Steve. It is good to see some shorty headers and cam results. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, we overlaid my dyno with a guys who did the same cam but had long tubes (not sure what kind).. the made 11rwhp more peak hp but I made quite a bit more than him down low.. he also had a higher power band but I only race sometimes and the low-end torque if some fun stuff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Oh, and I should mention that the car was tuned by Mark of Andy's Auto Performance (a board sponsor).. <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

WhynotSS

Nice numbers! I'm glad to see somebody else who seeks to make hp while staying smog legal.

I have the same cam but am currently looking into shorties. Which headers did you go with? What else have you done?

gomer

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Nice numbers! I LOVE my TR220 also.

<small>[ April 08, 2003, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: gomer ]</small>

Steve1969LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WhynotSS:
<strong> Nice numbers! I'm glad to see somebody else who seeks to make hp while staying smog legal.

I have the same cam but am currently looking into shorties. Which headers did you go with? What else have you done? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here is my short list of mods:

Super Sport 2000 Camaro M6 - Lgt Pewter/Blk Full-Power heated/cooled Recaro Seats, Wings West color matched grill with hand painted SS emblem, Carbon Fiber Interior - All SLP Packages ~ Bilstein Shocks, Hotchkis 1" drop springs, Auburn Differential, GMMG Chambred Exhaust with SLP tips, Hotchkis STB, Hotchkis SFC's, Hotchkis Adj. Panhard Bar & Trailing Arms, 21mm rear 1LE & 35mm Front sway Bars, Pro 5.0 shifter (with Lou's Short Stick), 18x9 & 18x10 full polished HRE 545's, Granatelli 200mph guages, SS milled Sparco Pedals, Billet MAF Ends, Fbody Concepts color matched Fuel rail covers, K&N FIPK filter, Clear front corner & side marker lenses, Export GM tail lights, Ceramic JBA headers, ASP Pulley, MAF Translator, red 8mm Taylor wires, TR55's,BMR cross brace with DS loop, BMR LCA relocation brackets, Edelbrock torque arm, Granetelli boxed upper pan hard rod, 3:73 GM gears with TA Cover, Mallory billet caps & Covers, Katech solid tensioner, shaved front emblem, power antenna, Optima Pewter top battery, chrome, LS1edit, yada yada yada (heck, and i didnt even list the little stuff)

Audio: Alpine CDA-7995, Eclipse componets, Kicker 10" Comp VR, Eclipse 5ch 650w amp

Just installed: TR 220/220 .553 114LSA cam, 918 springs, TR pushrods, LS6 intake, ported LS6 oil pump, and Katech chain, 30# Sieman Deka injectors, SLP HiCapacity radiator
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The headers I run are CARB legal JBA ceramic coated headers.. very well made.

Fenris Ulf

A set of grotyohann style longtubes will boost lowend torque production as well. Great numbers!

Damian

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Steve, why can't you run a set of longtubes with all the emissions provisions, and a set of good cats? I dont see how that would hurt emissions. But I am not very familiar with Cali regulations.

Either way, those are excellent #'s through shorties and STOCK cats <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> . Definately a 390 horse stock headed car with a better exhaust system.


Josh

98 LPE SS

You forgot to list the Willwood brakes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> That is the best looking LS1 engine I have seen by the way.

98 LPE SS

You forgot to list the Willwood brakes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> That is the best looking LS1 engine I have seen by the way.

MyLS1Hauls

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WOW...you spent some time under the hood...Is the water pump chromed? Looks good. Nice numbers too...I really like my TR220.

Cal

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Steve, congrats for coming up with a sensible, well-thought out and effective set-up! This should be a good model for others that want more power but aren't doing all-out drag racing. And BTW, your car looks as good as ever! I remember seeing the pictures before over on the SLP board.

Cal

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> Steve, why can't you run a set of longtubes with all the emissions provisions, and a set of good cats? I dont see how that would hurt emissions. But I am not very familiar with Cali regulations.

Josh </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Long tubes aren't legal even with cats because they relocate the cats farther away from the engine.

SSLink

Results of my "old man" setup with similar cam + ported heads below. I might also try the new BBK 1 3/4" primary shorties when they become available. May be good for a few more top-end ponies. <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

<small>[ April 09, 2003, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: SSLink ]</small>

Steve1969LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cal:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> Steve, why can't you run a set of longtubes with all the emissions provisions, and a set of good cats? I dont see how that would hurt emissions. But I am not very familiar with Cali regulations.

Josh </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Long tubes aren't legal even with cats because they relocate the cats farther away from the engine. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ever remember seeing "49 state legal".. well CA is that one state <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

CA is the toughest on smog and we have visual, not that you cant find a creative way to get by it but its nice to know im good to go.. heck, even my FIPK has a CARB number <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Its a torquie little sucker to be sure.. now for that 75 shot <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Steve1969LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by u8dusst:
<strong> You my friend have one of the nicest looking fbodies ive ever seen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Oh yeah, and nice numbers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Is your carbon fiber interior custom, or is there actually some place that sells kits? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">RK Sport USE to sell it.. but its was discontinued .. they are the actuall OEM part covered in real CF.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> -- they make a new kit now where molded covers snap over the OEM parts. Is supposed to be nice also.

Thanks for the compliment on the car! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

u8dusst

You my friend have one of the nicest looking fbodies ive ever seen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Oh yeah, and nice numbers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Is your carbon fiber interior custom, or is there actually some place that sells kits?

SStolen

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This is not a flame Steve, everyone including myself has much respect for you and what you have brought to the board. I'm just confused on a few things.
How come you decided to get a ported oil-pump, timing chain and bigger injectors with such a small cam and stock heads? Did you just decide to do it or did someone recommend it to you and if so, why? The timing chain and ported oil-pump are good precautions but still not completely necessary especially if you don't race alot. The injectors are just plain overkill. I'm suprised you got them when the factory injectors would have been more than capable to handle that kind of power but you did not get titanium retainers for the springs. Also, do you road race or do some other kind of long distance driving? I'm a little curious about the SLP high output radiator. Seems you could have picked and choosed a little on your parts an maybe got a good set of heads while you were in the motor over some of the other items you decided to get first. Once again, no flames and you certainly do not have to explain yourself or your decisions. I'm just enquiring on some friendly feedback.

LS1derfull

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98 LPE SS:
<strong> You forgot to list the Willwood brakes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> That is the best looking LS1 engine I have seen by the way. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hands down!

Steve1969LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SStolen:
<strong> This is not a flame Steve, everyone including myself has much respect for you and what you have brought to the board. I'm just confused on a few things.
How come you decided to get a ported oil-pump, timing chain and bigger injectors with such a small cam and stock heads? Did you just decide to do it or did someone recommend it to you and if so, why? The timing chain and ported oil-pump are good precautions but still not completely necessary especially if you don't race alot. The injectors are just plain overkill. I'm suprised you got them when the factory injectors would have been more than capable to handle that kind of power but you did not get titanium retainers for the springs. Also, do you road race or do some other kind of long distance driving? I'm a little curious about the SLP high output radiator. Seems you could have picked and choosed a little on your parts an maybe got a good set of heads while you were in the motor over some of the other items you decided to get first. Once again, no flames and you certainly do not have to explain yourself or your decisions. I'm just enquiring on some friendly feedback. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No flames taken <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Reasons.. Since I had the cam out it was easy enough to do the chain. I got the Katech chain brand new for $75 so "since I was there" it was nice to upgrade from the smaller factory chain. I had a few oil pressure fluctuations (and we know some early cars had oil pump problems) so it was easy to change while doing the cam. The new pump maintains about 10psi over the stocker <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Injectors.. it was a "while im there thing.." I plan on installing a 75/100 shot in about 6 months so I figured (since it was no extra labor on my part) to install the 30#'ers.. I figure its better to have them and not need them then to need them and not have them. Plus Ive read alot that the spray patteren (disc) on the Siemens Deka injectors are more efficent. I just got a wild hair to do it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Retainers: On such a small cam the TI units would be of little (if any) benefit. Since the plan is to get stage II (or REALLY good Stage I) heads this time next year (and those heads will most likely have the REV springs) then I didnt see the need to get them. In hindsite I should have just gotten them..

Use of car.. I love to run my car hard.. I often in the upper RPM's and I try to make it out to as many "track" days as I can. So while these are not competative events I do road race the car. I also like to drag race it also but I am a better road racer than drag racer. The point being is that I value low end torque more then high end power and while I dont abuse my car I dont coddle it either <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Also, When I started this last project it was just going to be a "in and out fast" install of a cam.. it sorta snowballed into the detailing fest and such. Also drivability and general driving enjoyment is more important to me than getting every single last HP out of the car (hence the shorties that are smog legal and easy to live with over the long tubes and their issues).

Thanks for the feedback and I hope this has given you a little insite into the mind of a madman.. and yes, like any project (in hindsight) I would have done a few things differently. but hey, thats life <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />