Vortech5300

TSP 231/237, 598/595 on a 112ls, this cam too big for a stock head, M6 car? Mods will be MTI lid/filter, Pacesetter LTs, OR/Y, Borla catback, LS6 intake and custom tuning. This a good choice for all around gains but big gain in HP? Its not a daily driver but I want it to be able to if need be. Will keep the EGR and AIR intact. I want a cam thats got a rumpity idle but still drives good in the city. What you guys think about this cam? Will be spraying it also but don't want a "nitrous cam".

A buddy of mine has a rev split 233/231, 585/580 on a 112 in a C5 with Patriot heads thats thing has a rough sounding ldle, I love it. His made 427rwhp and drove awesome in town

Vortech5300

Also, ,would I have to cut the pistons for this much lift assuming I have the appropriate valve springs? what is the safe limit on lift for P/V clearance? Does have a 150 wet shot also so...

Mike98WS6

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This cam is great for you. I have it. It works well with a 6 speed. I would suggest getting 3.73 or 4.10 gears though. You should be fine with your P/V clearance on stock heads.

Vortech5300

Mike, does this cam leave a big hole in the bottom end power or is it still decent? I know it will "feel" weaker down low only because the top end comes on much harder but I don't want to lose too much down low. I know it will some. I am spraying 150hp so I don't want to gear it too low. When the 10bolt grenades I will do a 12bolt with 3.73s but I am gonna sport the 10bolt until it pops.

So the TSP 231/237 is a good choice for all around power? You think it will break 400hp with this cam with the usual bolt ons? What about valve train noise? is it really bad? Do I need different push rods? I want 400hp with stock heads and good driveability. Then spray the 150 on top of that. Should be sweet!

bad0211secws6

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definitely need hardened pushrods get em from scogin dickey for 100bucks
youll also need good springs id recomend the patriot gold kit its only 279 right now.and it will make the famous sewing machine noise but its not to bad.
and with all the bolt ons youll probley be pretty close to your 400 goal
but it seems to me that a lot of the 400 numbers i see on here i rarely see
from all my buddys with the same set up outside ls1 tech not that they dont have it they are just lucky imo.but after a while save up for some stage 2 heads and youll easily see over 400hp good luck!!

Vortech5300

BAD0211, I completely understand what you mean about what you read and what you actually see. I have a turbo-hayabusa that makes good power but with the same setup as most of the guys on the busa message boards, I am 20hp low, all the other local turbo busas are making around the same HP as mine but 20-30hp off of what the turbo kit's designer advertises. I would probably be happy with 385hp but it would be cool to say I have a consistant 400 at the tires. I will keep that in mind on the push rods

SouthFL.02.SS

I run the 231/237.
I've run it with stock heads and with TEA 1.5's.
Stock heads: 390rwhp (thru a Moser 9" rear)
Ported heads: 425rwhp (same bolt-on setup as stock heads)
I just went with a FAST90/90 setup and QTP HVM LT's, so the numbers may have gone up.

I trapped 118mph on stock heads with this cam. It's a great top end cam. My new bolt-ons (the 90/90 and the QTP HVM LT's) have helped me regain some low end response which was lacking before.
I love this cam. It lopes hard and performs well at the track. I run 11's in daily driven form.

That said, I'd go with a Futral F14 if I were you.

Vortech5300

You trapped 118 with the TSP 231 or the F14? What are the specs on the F14? Is it good for stock heads on a daily driver with a 150 shot? I am still hunting for a good cam, ,don't want to lose too much bottom end but I want the biatch to sound nasty and run better! I would love 118 in the traps with a cam and bolt ons!

bad0211secws6

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g5x2 real nasty!

SouthFL.02.SS

Trapped 118 cam only with the TSP 231/237.
It does lope pretty well.

I suggest the F14 because the Futral grinds seem to deliver better tq numbers. From what I've read, the F14 lopes more than the F13 (which also performs very well).
Either way, plan on rear gears.

Specs on the FM14: 232"/234" .598"/.598" 112LSA

Vortech5300

Are you running the Futral now or still the TSP? How does your car run in the city under normal driving conditions? idling problems when cold or anything? I am not expecting it to run like a stocker but don't want it dying and doing stupid stuff either from too big a cam. I am gonna call around today and talk to some dealers and see what they recommend also. Its between the TSP and the FUTRAL though.

SouthFL.02.SS

I still have the TSP231/237 in my car. No plans on swapping it out. A good tune is requisite for it to run well.

SouthFL.02.SS

By the way, if you still have plans on supercharging your car, you're picking the wrong cam profile.

Vortech5300

Nah that crap in my sig is for my old truck, haven't changed it yet. lOL I am going to spray 150hp also so I need to get an upgraded fuel pump, thinking maybe the Walbro 155. It should be good to 525rwhp. I figure 385-400 rwhp on motor and 150hp shot of dope would be 535-550rwhp if the bottom end holds so maybe I need a bigger fuel pump then the walbro, OR I could turn the spray down to 100hp which is probably what I will do. Thanks for all the help bro, I like the setup in your car.

Hey you think the cheap *** coated Pacesetters and OR/Y will be sufficient for my build up?

777

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i have this cam on a 112+2 lsa...it's a great cam but i'm driving on it untuned..it idles fairly rough but i daily drive it with NO problems...why would you keep air/egr...you won't be passing emission with a cam this big...it does lose some bottom end...but i think the top end makes up for it...

SupahRich

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I currently have the 231/237 and know for a fact that it works well with the Patriot Stage II 5.7l Heads (no clearance issues) However, I'm wondering if I should go with the FM14... FMS grinds seem to have a rep for making great power under the curve.

I'm just wondering if I will still have enough clearance to run this cam safely? I know the lift is very similar TSP's .598/.595 and FMS's .598/.598 but from what I understand... lift isn't the only factor in determining how much P/V Clearance you have. Another factor is the beating the valvetrain takes... 231/237 is known for being easy on the springs with their soft ramps. I may need to give FMS a call soon to get some input from them to see if they can estimate mileage a mostly street driven FM13/14 cam can see before having to swap out the springs.

Not trying to hijack the thread but I believe it relates to the topic in a sense

Vortech5300

WELL I went a different route today. After talking at length with Jason from TSP, I went with the Magic stick, he recommended it for a stock headed stick car. Also ordered Pacesetter LTs, TSP OR/Y pipe, Walbro 255l pump, and will be getting a LS6 intake also. The car is going to G-Force on friday for a full install and tune. Jason says they are getting 420hp cam only w/bolt ons from the magic stick, I would be happy with a consistant 400hp with no pulley and a stock TB and MAF. We'll see. I hope it doesn't lose too much low end. Jason says by 3000 rpms its matching the stock cams torque, its just a little off under 3k. What you guys think?

Vortech5300

Also I am running stock heads and spraying 150hp so I should be in the 550rwhp range hopefully nothing pops. That Magic stick is on a 113 LS so I hope it still has a strong sounding idle.

Supa Rich, that 231/237 still run OK under the 2500 rpm range, like is slow city driving and lofing around etc? cam surge? just curious

SouthFL.02.SS

The MS3 (Magic Stick) still lopes hard. You'll like it. I've seen lots of positive posts about it. Great track times too.

Vortech5300

SL02SS, Jason at TSP was really pushing the Magic stick, I was going to buy the 231-237 from him anyway so he didn't have any reason to try to sell me a MS3 since its the same price, that leads me to believe its a good cam by their testing. He says he regularly gets 420hp cam only/bolt ons with the MS3 so.. I mean, he is in the business of selling cams so I am sure there is some sales BS in there but...if it makes 400+ with a stock TB, MAF and no pulley, I will be happy. WE'll see soon.

Thanks for the reply!