Anyone have a cam card for the C2" Hammer cam"
08-26-2005, 10:17 AM
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Anyone have a cam card for the C2" Hammer cam" Just wondering if anyone has the cam card the MTI C2 they could share? Thanks in advance.
08-26-2005, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Vortech
Just wondering if anyone has the cam card the MTI C2 they could share? Thanks in advance.
My notes have it as...
Comp 3722 lobes
273*-224*-146*-.342"-.581"
112* LSA 108* ICL
4* - 40* - 44* - (-4*)
Don't hold me to the exact figure though!
Ed
08-26-2005, 10:47 AM
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What Ed said. Talk about some high DCR with your setup Vortech. The 108 ICL is a killer! Plus, it will run out of breath too quick to take advantage of those awesome AFRs.
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08-26-2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Talk about some high DCR with your setup Vortech. The 108 ICL is a killer! Plus, it will run out of breath too quick to take advantage of those awesome AFRs.
If I did, I'd be accused of "pimping"...
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08-26-2005, 10:57 AM
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So how do you think it would work ground staright up on a 112? I'm going to give Geoff at TR a call today. Sad thing is after worrying about the CheaTR and the DC I told my friend i would sell him the cam-now he wants it!
08-26-2005, 11:11 AM
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How about this:
0.006 0.050 0.200
Intake Duration - ID 273 224 146 3722 lobe
Exhaust Duration - ED 273 224 146 3722 lobe
Lobe Center Angle - LCA (also known as LSA) 114 114 114
Intake Centerline - ICL 113 113 113
Intake Valve opens - IVO 23.5 -1 -40 BTDC (- indicates ATDC)
Intake Valve closes - IVC 69.5 45 6 ABDC
Exhaust Valve Opens - EVO 71.5 47 8 BBDC
Exhaust Valve Closes - EVC 21.5 -3 -42 ATDC (- indicates BTDC)
Exhaust Centerline - ECL 115 115 115
Overlap 45 -4 -82 degrees
DCR of 8.75 with your current setup.
0.006 0.050 0.200
Intake Duration - ID 273 224 146 3722 lobe
Exhaust Duration - ED 273 224 146 3722 lobe
Lobe Center Angle - LCA (also known as LSA) 114 114 114
Intake Centerline - ICL 113 113 113
Intake Valve opens - IVO 23.5 -1 -40 BTDC (- indicates ATDC)
Intake Valve closes - IVC 69.5 45 6 ABDC
Exhaust Valve Opens - EVO 71.5 47 8 BBDC
Exhaust Valve Closes - EVC 21.5 -3 -42 ATDC (- indicates BTDC)
Exhaust Centerline - ECL 115 115 115
Overlap 45 -4 -82 degrees
DCR of 8.75 with your current setup.
08-26-2005, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Vortech
So how do you think it would work ground staright up on a 112? I'm going to give Geoff at TR a call today. Sad thing is after worrying about the CheaTR and the DC I told my friend i would sell him the cam-now he wants it!
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08-26-2005, 11:19 AM
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WHY oh WHY wouldn't you just run the 224/228 AFR suggests?
Jeremy Formotto from Rev Extreem introduced me to the same cam that AFR uses about 2 years ago, and I feel it is by far one of the best overall cams for NA setup's. Great idle, great power curve, awsome driveability, really just a solid cam.
Patrick what do you think?
Jeremy Formotto from Rev Extreem introduced me to the same cam that AFR uses about 2 years ago, and I feel it is by far one of the best overall cams for NA setup's. Great idle, great power curve, awsome driveability, really just a solid cam.
Patrick what do you think?
08-26-2005, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
WHY oh WHY wouldn't you just run the 224/228 AFR suggests?
Jeremy Formotto from Rev Extreem introduced me to the same cam that AFR uses about 2 years ago, and I feel it is by far one of the best overall cams for NA setup's. Great idle, great power curve, awsome driveability, really just a solid cam.
Patrick what do you think?
Jeremy Formotto from Rev Extreem introduced me to the same cam that AFR uses about 2 years ago, and I feel it is by far one of the best overall cams for NA setup's. Great idle, great power curve, awsome driveability, really just a solid cam.
Patrick what do you think?
... There are better designs than the standard 224*-228* XER that "everyone" has known about since the XER lobes have been in existance!
By better designs I mean... Just look at what some shops have been doing lately. Short duration, high lift, bigger lobe area type camshafts.
Geeee... where have I seen "that" concept before????
Ed
08-26-2005, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
WHY oh WHY wouldn't you just run the 224/228 AFR suggests?
Jeremy Formotto from Rev Extreem introduced me to the same cam that AFR uses about 2 years ago, and I feel it is by far one of the best overall cams for NA setup's. Great idle, great power curve, awsome driveability, really just a solid cam.
Patrick what do you think?
Jeremy Formotto from Rev Extreem introduced me to the same cam that AFR uses about 2 years ago, and I feel it is by far one of the best overall cams for NA setup's. Great idle, great power curve, awsome driveability, really just a solid cam.
Patrick what do you think?
I agree with Ed, there are lots of cooler lobes out there than just the tried and true XE-R lobes, but with those, you often have to mess with spring rates and such to work best. Not sure if Vortech wants to jack with the springs on his AFRs.
08-26-2005, 11:45 AM
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I think passing emission up here for me maybe easier than in CA. FWIW my friend runs a F11 cam on a 114 in his Fbody. Full boltons and using the Magnaflow bullet cats he passes as long as the car was at normal operating temp. That's only a 2 degree split between intake and exhaust 228/230. the advantage I think that I have is I'm running the Factory 02 Z06 cats which have alot more area than those bullet style cats. I really appreciate everyones input-you guys are awesome!
08-26-2005, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by EDC
Not Patrick but...
... There are better designs than the standard 224*-228* XER that "everyone" has known about since the XER lobes have been in existance!
By better designs I mean... Just look at what some shops have been doing lately. Short duration, high lift, bigger lobe area type camshafts.
Geeee... where have I seen "that" concept before????
Ed
... There are better designs than the standard 224*-228* XER that "everyone" has known about since the XER lobes have been in existance!
By better designs I mean... Just look at what some shops have been doing lately. Short duration, high lift, bigger lobe area type camshafts.
Geeee... where have I seen "that" concept before????
Ed
For sure, just trying to provide a cam that IMO is better then the 224/224 design. Some of those cams have some crazy lifts, and springs really become a issue on many out of the box heads. I like them and soon I am sure many F bodys will use them. I have one ordered myself for my car to try out.
I of course will post results but it might take some time as the heads I want to use aren't availabe yet. I am sure you know something about the heads I am talking about.
08-26-2005, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
JZ, I think that Vortech has concerns about passing emissions. The 224/228 114LSA 113ICL cam is a proven cam for making power everywhere, but it has 47 degrees of overlap at .006" and is a little on the "dirty" side for passing emission. Cutting 4 degrees off the exhaust will drop the overlap to 45 degrees and should squeak under the limit for compliance (at least in past experience).
I agree with Ed, there are lots of cooler lobes out there than just the tried and true XE-R lobes, but with those, you often have to mess with spring rates and such to work best. Not sure if Vortech wants to jack with the springs on his AFRs.
I agree with Ed, there are lots of cooler lobes out there than just the tried and true XE-R lobes, but with those, you often have to mess with spring rates and such to work best. Not sure if Vortech wants to jack with the springs on his AFRs.
damnit. I didn't even realize emmissions was a problem. I agree that some of the new stuff should make more power, and with those extreemly fast ramp rates might even make the car idle better, so why isn't anyone using them yet?
Wonder how the LSX lopes will work on Nitrous?
08-27-2005, 05:47 PM
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I was just trying to go with something proven and that drives well. AREA under the curve is of paramount concern as my goal until I get the new Z06 is to get the car to run 11's on radials. I know alot of you think that's easy as JRod and Ranger have done this with stock Z06's. However up here our tracks are not up to par as the tracks you guys get the pleasure to run on. Hell my car hooks better on the street! I was even considering the B1 or any of the TR224 cams. I just figured the 224 on XER lobes could take advantage of the extra airflow the AFR's provide up to .600 lift. Also gotta see what will fit without P/V issues since my heads are milled so much. I think when i get a chance i'm going to see what my clearance is as it sits right now. FWIW don't the AFR's already have an extra .015 of clearance as cast?
08-27-2005, 07:15 PM
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You guys are too funny! JRP I asked Geoff at Thunder if there is anything else besides the CheaTR that he could come up with. I'm going to get some SAE dyno #'s with my AFR/LS6 cam full length headers combo later this week and maybe even some drag strip times. Patrick scared me with the DCR so I prematurely told my friend he could have the cam so he jumped all over it. Now I'm second guessing myself. I'm open to any and all suggestions. I've thought about everything from the B1, C1, C2, AFR 6016, Cartek 2X, Futral F5. Then when we get right into it and figure DCR it seems like a custom grind maybe the best choice. Remember that I want to run the car on radials so power under the curve is very important and I'm sticking with the factory 3.42's. Currently I'm leaning on a 224/224 XER on a 113 straight up. I have just have to measure my current P/V before I do anything. I really wish I flycut before i bolted these AFR's on. The last and final route I'm thinking is forget the cam and do the fast 90/90.
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