AFR 224/228 Cam Installed
10-06-2005, 12:51 PM
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AFR 224/228 Cam Installed ECS (East Coast Supercharging) swapped out my stealth cam for the AFR 6016 cam. (224/228 .581-.588@114) The reason for this was to have a cam that better matched the flow characteristics of the 205s. After doing alot of research about AFRs, I have learned that these heads perform best with cams that have 4 degrees higher on the exhaust side with a minimum of 224 intake duration. For my own taste, I wanted my car to be mild mannered and have stock like idle yet pull hard and smooth at WOT. So I chose the AFR cam.
I dynoed at 415.7RWHP 383.7RWT. Although I didnt peak much higher, the torque curve is flat and the power under the curve is excellent! That is exactly what I wanted out of my car.
Driveability is still excellent; no bucking, no surging, and I can still cruise as low as 1000rpm without issues. You cannot feel any shake or lope inside the car. To me, details like that is important. At WOT this car is an animal, very easy to go sideways if your not careful. I have to re-learn the limits of this car all over again but its alot of fun to drive. Car sounds very nice too when you get on it.
Anyway, its all about combination when doing H/C setups and what you want out of your ride so choose your parts wisely if your going to go N/A
Heres a small vid clip of my car at idle...
AFR cam 224/228
I dynoed at 415.7RWHP 383.7RWT. Although I didnt peak much higher, the torque curve is flat and the power under the curve is excellent! That is exactly what I wanted out of my car.
Driveability is still excellent; no bucking, no surging, and I can still cruise as low as 1000rpm without issues. You cannot feel any shake or lope inside the car. To me, details like that is important. At WOT this car is an animal, very easy to go sideways if your not careful. I have to re-learn the limits of this car all over again but its alot of fun to drive. Car sounds very nice too when you get on it.
Anyway, its all about combination when doing H/C setups and what you want out of your ride so choose your parts wisely if your going to go N/A
Heres a small vid clip of my car at idle...
AFR cam 224/228
10-06-2005, 01:00 PM
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congrats.
But just curious, what did you dyno with the Stealth? was it S1 or S2?
Also what is your SCR? and what gaskets/ p-rods did you use? (for the 224/228)
But just curious, what did you dyno with the Stealth? was it S1 or S2?
Also what is your SCR? and what gaskets/ p-rods did you use? (for the 224/228)
10-06-2005, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
congrats.
But just curious, what did you dyno with the Stealth? was it S1 or S2?
Also what is your SCR? and what gaskets/ p-rods did you use? (for the 224/228)
But just curious, what did you dyno with the Stealth? was it S1 or S2?
Also what is your SCR? and what gaskets/ p-rods did you use? (for the 224/228)
10-06-2005, 01:15 PM
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Nice CCWs...was a tune included with the install?
10-06-2005, 01:28 PM
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So 3 rwhp from a 220 cam to a 224 cam,
Hmmm that S1 was a good cam afterall.
You wouldn't happen to be able to overlay the two on a graph ?
The reason I'm saying this is you know S1 is 115 with 0 advance
Had you just advanced your S1 +2 you would have got the same results.
Hmmm that S1 was a good cam afterall.
You wouldn't happen to be able to overlay the two on a graph ?
The reason I'm saying this is you know S1 is 115 with 0 advance
Had you just advanced your S1 +2 you would have got the same results.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
So 3 rwhp from a 220 cam to a 224 cam,
Hmmm that S1 was a good cam afterall.
You wouldn't happen to be able to overlay the two on a graph ?
Hmmm that S1 was a good cam afterall.
You wouldn't happen to be able to overlay the two on a graph ?
I'd like to see that too.
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So you have AFR 205's? Are they milled? If so how much? See I don't understand how Tony made 480 rwhp with that cam? He had the Fast 90/90, EWP, LG longtubes(worth 10 horse over everyhting else), heads milled to 62cc, but I'm not sure if used the AFR .040 cometic gaskets. I'm on the fence right now as i'm thinking of going with the AFR G5X3 Fast 90/90 LG headers route as this has made over 480rwhp if the heads are milled to 59cc-then Tony with heads milled 3cc less and a cam with about 10 degrees less duration makes just as much power?
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My girlfriend had terrible results with the SII and AFR's. We ordered the AFR cam and during the install some other issues came up so we never got to redyno.....
The afr's (heads) ended up on my car, WS6 in sig, The new TEA 1.5's ended up on her car with the AFR cam, it made good power, 430 locked, with all the goodies.
The afr's (heads) ended up on my car, WS6 in sig, The new TEA 1.5's ended up on her car with the AFR cam, it made good power, 430 locked, with all the goodies.
10-06-2005, 02:17 PM
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Tony did not just slap his components on.
Hours of dyno tune with complete attention to detail.
if copied one should make at least within 40hp of that setup. Like 440 rwhp should be obtainable.
I've use some of his techniques (still do) and I squeezed Hps out of where poeple said it was impossible. How about 404rwhp from a 224/220 cam, A4, 3200 stall (locked).
It is not just A+B = 480
Hours of dyno tune with complete attention to detail.
if copied one should make at least within 40hp of that setup. Like 440 rwhp should be obtainable.
I've use some of his techniques (still do) and I squeezed Hps out of where poeple said it was impossible. How about 404rwhp from a 224/220 cam, A4, 3200 stall (locked).
It is not just A+B = 480
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Originally Posted by eamador11
ECS (East Coast Supercharging) swapped out my stealth cam for the AFR 6016 cam. (224/228 .581-.588@114) The reason for this was to have a cam that better matched the flow characteristics of the 205s. After doing alot of research about AFRs, I have learned that these heads perform best with cams that have 4 degrees higher on the exhaust side with a minimum of 224 intake duration. For my own taste, I wanted my car to be mild mannered and have stock like idle yet pull hard and smooth at WOT. So I chose the AFR cam.
I dynoed at 415.7RWHP 383.7RWT. Although I didnt peak much higher, the torque curve is flat and the power under the curve is excellent! That is exactly what I wanted out of my car.
Driveability is still excellent; no bucking, no surging, and I can still cruise as low as 1000rpm without issues. You cannot feel any shake or lope inside the car. To me, details like that is important. At WOT this car is an animal, very easy to go sideways if your not careful. I have to re-learn the limits of this car all over again but its alot of fun to drive. Car sounds very nice too when you get on it.
Anyway, its all about combination when doing H/C setups and what you want out of your ride so choose your parts wisely if your going to go N/A
Heres a small vid clip of my car at idle...
AFR cam 224/228
I dynoed at 415.7RWHP 383.7RWT. Although I didnt peak much higher, the torque curve is flat and the power under the curve is excellent! That is exactly what I wanted out of my car.
Driveability is still excellent; no bucking, no surging, and I can still cruise as low as 1000rpm without issues. You cannot feel any shake or lope inside the car. To me, details like that is important. At WOT this car is an animal, very easy to go sideways if your not careful. I have to re-learn the limits of this car all over again but its alot of fun to drive. Car sounds very nice too when you get on it.
Anyway, its all about combination when doing H/C setups and what you want out of your ride so choose your parts wisely if your going to go N/A
Heres a small vid clip of my car at idle...
AFR cam 224/228
Can you provide more details on the rest of your setup? CC of chambers, intake, TB, headers, gears, type of trans, etc?
ECS did the AFR heads and 224/228 581-588 114+1 cam on my car. With the stock (LS6) intake, stock TB and 4.10 gears it put down 444 rwhp and 411 rwtq on their dyno.
It backs those numbers up at the track running 124mph in the ¼ without speed shifting.
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Ughh yeah it should A+B, AFR HEADS milled to 62cc, .040 cometics, Fast 90/90(ported by Tony), AFR 6016 cam 224/228 114+1 and LG longtube headers and EWP makes 480rwhp-how hard is that to follow? Not very. So your saying a similar car should come with 40 horse of that-**** what what did i buy AFR's for then?
10-06-2005, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Vortech
So you have AFR 205's? Are they milled? If so how much? See I don't understand how Tony made 480 rwhp with that cam? He had the Fast 90/90, EWP, LG longtubes(worth 10 horse over everyhting else), heads milled to 62cc, but I'm not sure if used the AFR .040 cometic gaskets. I'm on the fence right now as i'm thinking of going with the AFR G5X3 Fast 90/90 LG headers route as this has made over 480rwhp if the heads are milled to 59cc-then Tony with heads milled 3cc less and a cam with about 10 degrees less duration makes just as much power?
10-06-2005, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
So 3 rwhp from a 220 cam to a 224 cam,
Hmmm that S1 was a good cam afterall.
You wouldn't happen to be able to overlay the two on a graph ?
The reason I'm saying this is you know S1 is 115 with 0 advance
Had you just advanced your S1 +2 you would have got the same results.
Hmmm that S1 was a good cam afterall.
You wouldn't happen to be able to overlay the two on a graph ?
The reason I'm saying this is you know S1 is 115 with 0 advance
Had you just advanced your S1 +2 you would have got the same results.
10-06-2005, 09:42 PM
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Your numbers aren’t too bad, but they seem to be a little low.
Can you provide more details on the rest of your setup? CC of chambers, intake, TB, headers, gears, type of trans, etc?
ECS did the AFR heads and 224/228 581-588 114+1 cam on my car. With the stock (LS6) intake, stock TB and 4.10 gears it put down 444 rwhp and 411 rwtq on their dyno.
It backs those numbers up at the track running 124mph in the ¼ without speed shifting.
Can you provide more details on the rest of your setup? CC of chambers, intake, TB, headers, gears, type of trans, etc?
ECS did the AFR heads and 224/228 581-588 114+1 cam on my car. With the stock (LS6) intake, stock TB and 4.10 gears it put down 444 rwhp and 411 rwtq on their dyno.
It backs those numbers up at the track running 124mph in the ¼ without speed shifting.
this car kicks ***! 
10-06-2005, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanders
#'s seem pretty low to me also, but as long as your happy and the car pulls hard that is all that matters.
With a Futral FM11 on STOCK heads I did 401 hp and 395 tq.
With a Futral FM11 on STOCK heads I did 401 hp and 395 tq.
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I would like to know what headers you are running (cats/no cats) and if you are running a pulley.
My H/C combo numbers are below, and only slightly better then yours.
My H/C combo numbers are below, and only slightly better then yours.