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I know most people will say the 224 is a better cam and will make more power and has great driveability. However, it has too tame of an idle for me, even on a 112 lsa. I still want that nice torque curve that cams like the 224 produce, but with a choppier idle. After some research it seems like the hotcam might not be too bad of an option. From what I've seen, assuming equal mods in an M6 car, the hotcam might give up 10rwhp. Not to metion a hotcam w/ls6 springs can be picked up pretty damn cheap. What do you guys think about this? My mods are in my sig, and this car is a DD for about 8 months a year, and sees the strip twice per year (all out dyno and track #'s are not the main objective here).

99blancoSS

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So you just want a cam that lopes?

dug

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get the tr224 cam on a 110lsa. That should give you the idle youre looking for.

01formula6

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I have considered the 224 on a 110lsa, doesn't seem many people have it, so I'd need a little more feedback about it. I'm not looking for JUST lope, but that is definitely a factor in my cam choice. Besides the lope, I'd like to keep the cam DD friendly, and for it to make great power for the street. I don't street race and only hit the dragstrip about twice a year, all out power is not my main goal. I just want to make the most power I can with a legitimate DD cam that has a lope similar to the hotcam's. I'm not set on any one cam at this point, I'm just looking for some opinions on what seems to fit the bill for me (like the tr224 110lsa).

dug

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The 224 110 lsa 106 icl cam is supposedly makes very strong midrange torque and hp.

Anyways, its seems silly to change cams for more lope. You could always lower the idle speed for more lope.

The Alchemist

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Keep the TR224 on a 112lsa, but set your idle rpm to 650. Most people who say it doesn't lope (like me) have the idle set higher than that to smooth out the idle. I've got mine set to either 825 or 875, I can't remember which, but at the stock idle, it will lope and shake the motor. There will be no mistaking that you have a cam in it, or you have one hell of a vacuum leak.

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I still have the stock cam in my car. I never said that I already have the tr224. All the information that I posted was based off of things I've read, or cars that I've seen. I'm looking into doing a cam soon, and the two that I've mentioned seem to fit what I'm looking for.

SouthFL.02.SS

Buddy of mine used to have the speedinc 224 112. When he opened the cutout, thing loped pretty damn well.

Tuning can make your cam lope harder or softer.
After seeing lots of Hotcam numbers, it's a neat old cam. Makes decent numbers. Lopes hard. If you're satisfied with a 365-380rwhp range on stock heads, do it. Tq curve is great.

A TR230 with decent tuning will drive well and lope pretty damn hard. Will make more power (380-400rwhp range).

It's all about getting a good tune. Go a little bigger and you'll like it. 226 to 230 is a great range while still retaining decent low end. Go with 110-112 lsa and a slight traditional split for lope.

And, there's always the GMPP ASA cam if you want the thing to sound nasty with a low lift for spring life (370-390rwhp range). Great tq curve.

SmokingWS6

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The Hot Cam will make idle lope a lot more than the average 224 cam but I don't think its worth the effort. For extreme lope get a G5x4 Its very choppy, even with idle set at 1000 rpm.

01formula6

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Thanks for the options, all cams I have considered. Ideally I'd like a cam that sounded like the hotcam, but was able to put down power in the 390 range. So do you think something like the Futral F5 224"/228" .588"/.576" 112LSA sounds about right, or maybe the ASA cam?

SouthFL.02.SS

Give Futral a call. Ask about the F6. Seems like it's on softer lobes.
From my experience, softer lobes usually generate more lope than aggressive lobes.

In the past, I'da recommended the TSP 231/237 as a hard loping, 390+rwhp cam, but I wouldn't want you to sacrifice low end, and there's so many other cams that are more driveable these days. It's on a Lunati grind that has less agressive lobes and drives well with a good tune (good tune is the key). It made 400rwhp on stock heads on my car and currently makes 480rwhp on TEA 1.5 heads and full bolt ons.

ASA is going to be my next cam choice (not so interested in peak power next time, will be seeking useable power band and low spring maintenance for road racing), so it;s one of my favorites.

Lots of choices. Call around and see what the sponsors recommend first hand. TSP, Futral, Thunder, MTI, etc. etc. etc., or contact EDC on this board for a custom grind.

Good luck!

98A4LS1

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What about the TSP 228/228 0.588/0.588 112+2 cam? Should give you a little more lope you're looking for versus the 224 cam. Not sure if there are any issues with piston to valve clearance with the 228 0.588 XE-R lobe camshaft.

orangeapeel

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IF you want lope. Get a bigger cam.

01formula6

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Thanks, I think I'll do some more research on the F6, ASA, and some 228 variants. ASA might fit what I'm looking for though (low price, maintenance, good lope, good useable power). Seems like you are one of the few people who understand that everyone is not consumed with putting out the highest peak numbers. If I wanted a monster cam with a crazy idle that's what I'd get, however those are not my goals.

Schantin

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I noticed you started by asking about the 224 and Hotcam for a DD...and are now creeping into the 230 range on cams. If you want a DD....I recommend the TR224. I put down 375RWHP/363RWTQ with this cam, LT's, and a FLowmaster exhaust choking some power. On the street the cam is one of the best. From 2500RPM to 6K it pulls WAY beyond stock. It doesn't need to spool to 3K+ RPM's before it starts making power.

If you want lope, set the RPM to around 600-700. It will lope and shake. I have my idle set at 1100RPM and the neighbors still know I have a cam in the car.

BTW, if this is a street car...why the hell are you so interested in a defined lope? Not the friendliest characteristic for a daily driver....

jmm98LS1

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I've got the ASA cam in my car and love it. I originally wanted the hotcam or a 224/224 cam like you, but am very glad I went with the ASA. It's not a daily driver, but I wouldn't mind it to be. Making any cam daily driveable is ALL in the tuning done. Mine pulls hard from 2.5k on up and takes off like a bullet above 3.5k and shifts at 6400rpm......and it shakes the whole neighborhood @700rpm . I'd at least take a look at this cam. JMHO.

2000TransAmWS6

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alot of people bad-mouth the Hotcam, and i believe that alot of them do it just because everyone else does. it is true that it doesn't produce the same amount of peak HP that other cams do, but it'll produce just as much torque as bigger cams, and you'll have just as much usable power. my car put down 375/378 with my hotcam.

the money that you save can go towards having your heads ported and polished

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Yeah I noticed my cam choices are also creeping upward in size. I wanted to stay with a mid-sized cam that has a nice sounding idle. The only reason I'm leery of the 224 is that I've heard a decent amount of people saying they wish they went bigger. I just want a nice noticeable lope, nothing crazy that would affect driveability. It's hard to pick exactly what I want by just reading reviews, looking at dyno graphs and listening to sound clips. Without actually driving the different cams I have to rely on people that own them to help me out. That is tough because everyone's opinion of DD friendly and and "GOOD" power vary quite a bit.

BAD2000TA

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Dude, before you start knocking a cam for not having enough lope, try it out first. A lot of people have used the 224/224 112LSA and love it. You just have the stock cam. Try this cam and then go from there. If it's not what you want, move on. But, you'll never know until you try it. Nothing on the board will give you the experience until it's in the car. Sound clips aren't real-world, either. I also agree with the last guy - lots 'o lope is not daily driver friendly. Who are you trying to impress?? Just get something that runs good, drives nice, and still "gets 'em wet!"

SouthFL.02.SS

Oh please. Lope (or liking of) is subjective. Impress? Nobody perhaps, but if that's what you like, then why the hell not?

Lope in itself does not affect driveability. It's a sound. Some people like it on their daily driver, others think only race cars should lope. All subjective.

You can have a small cam run horribly on a bad tune.
You can have an aggressive, large duration cam on a tight lsa run great on a good tune.