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Old 04-16-2006, 10:35 PM
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Default Your Thoughts on a 228/232 .588/.595 110LSA +2

Hey Guys,

I'm about ready to pull the T-ReX in favor of something a bit more street-friendly, and after a good bit of research and fooling around in the cam spreadsheet, I've come up with an XE-R "lobed" 228/232 .588/.595 110 LSA on a 108 ICL.

My goal is to significantly increase torque and power in the mid-range and reach peak power at around 6300 RPM.

The cam will be spinning under stock 853 heads and enhanced with the normal array of bolt-ons, including a ported TB, LS6 intake, Hooker LTs, 3" Mufflex Y-Pipe, cutout, and March UD pulley. The power is sent to a Moser 12-bolt housing 3.90 gears, and, occasionally, I spray a 100-150 shot.

The valve events look like this (at .006, .05, and .200, respectively)...

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Intake Valve opens - IVO	30.5	 6	-33.5
Intake Valve closes - IVC	66.5	 42	 2.5
Exhaust Valve Opens - EVO       72.5     48	 8.5
Exhaust Valve Closes - EVC      28.5	 4	-35.5
Exhaust Centerline - ECL	112	 112	 112
Overlap 	                59	 10	-69
If my calculations are correct, my DCR should be around 8.1:1.

Any input you all have to offer would be very much appreciated. I'd hate to spend the time and money to do this swap only to discover the cam in question works horribly.

Thanks,
Josh
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I'm no expert, this is just an observation and kind of a question...but if you are going to spray NOS, don't you want a higher LSA? Not that many people run 110 on an LS1, that's why I'm wondering.
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I think your in the ballpark but if your peaking at 6300 rpm you could go with a 226/231 or so. Stock cubes?
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Id go with a higher lsa and advance it more. 114 +4..... It will be better for the spray, not to mention improved idle. Honestly, its not going to make alot of difference though. You'll definitely liike the cam you have chosen over the trex for low-midrange.
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I myself have been contemplating a custom grind. And it is along the lines of what your looking at, but slightly diff.

Here's what I thought of.....

228/232 .595/.600 112+4 on an XER grind.
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Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Id go with a higher lsa and advance it more. 114 +4..... It will be better for the spray, not to mention improved idle. Honestly, its not going to make alot of difference though. You'll definitely liike the cam you have chosen over the trex for low-midrange.
Well as far as spray goes, it probably wont matter too much unless he is going with a big shot.
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Originally Posted by matts22
I'm no expert, this is just an observation and kind of a question...but if you are going to spray NOS, don't you want a higher LSA? Not that many people run 110 on an LS1, that's why I'm wondering.
You said it right...you are no expert. The 110LSA cam will meet his goals NA and will work great on the spray. Some of you guys focus too much on LSAs and don't look at where the valve events are happening. The 228/232 110LSA +2 cam has excellent valve events for giving high dynamic compression along with good street manners and good peak power. It will rip NA and on the gas.

PS, don't open it up to 112LSA. Go with your first choice, it will be better. Advancing cams too far is the devil.
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This cam is exactly what I am looking for. Patrick, how hard will this cam be to tune on a 110LSA? I wasn't really planning on switching over to SD.
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I like it and I am surprised that no one seems to be running it. I tried get to get Patrick to put it in his car when he started looking for more torque.
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Originally Posted by cenTX-LS1
This cam is exactly what I am looking for. Patrick, how hard will this cam be to tune on a 110LSA? I wasn't really planning on switching over to SD.
There's only 10 degrees of overlap in that cam. That's not much more than an F-13 cam on a 112 and certainly less than a G5X-3 on a 112LSA. Easy to tune!
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
There's only 10 degrees of overlap in that cam. That's not much more than an F-13 cam on a 112 and certainly less than a G5X-3 on a 112LSA. Easy to tune!


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Most of us understand intake timing and DCR. But could someone explain exhaust timing? What dictates how much exhaust timing is needed?
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well i am running the g5x1 which is close to what you are wanting to run 228/232 .588/.574 112+4 i wish i had gotten it on a 110 though. i really like this cam and its nice to drive everyday. good midrange power and still screams up top. yours should be more of a torque machine though good luck
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Look at this Crane grind. I assume the 117 lc exhaust timing is for a defficient exhaust (stock exhaust port, mufflers/cats) and a tighter lsa version would be for a more efficient exhaust (efficient exhaust port, headers, strait pipe).
http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?s...01&lvl=2&prt=5

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Originally Posted by matts22
I'm no expert, this is just an observation and kind of a question...but if you are going to spray NOS, don't you want a higher LSA? Not that many people run 110 on an LS1, that's why I'm wondering.
I have never seen any cam not yeild 100hp from a 100 shot. Where you want the power varies.
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Originally Posted by gollum
Look at this Crane grind. I assume the 117 lc exhaust timing is for a defficient exhaust (stock exhaust port, mufflers/cats) and a tighter lsa version would be for a more efficient exhaust (efficient exhaust port, headers, strait pipe).
http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?s...01&lvl=2&prt=5
That cam is on a tight LSA. The specs work out to 228/232 112 LSA 107 ICL. The high ICL is a direct function of the 5* advance ground into the cam.

you can use a tight LSA on a restricted exhaust. The key to a restricted exhaust is to compensate with extra duration and keep the overlap reasonable. A free flowing exhaust allows for the use of more overlap.
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Is there any particular reason that there is more lift on the exhaust side of this chosen grind?

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The extra lift is just a by product of the lobes. As duration increases the lift increases a bit.

Nice thing about buying from Thunder is you a get cam doctor report in addition to your cam card.
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Thanks so much for all of the helpful input, guys. I believe I'll give Comp a call within the next few days to get this ground.

My hope is to get a fresh dyno with the T-ReX (I don't have any numbers since the SD tune and 12-bolt), then swap the cam and see how the graphs compare.

Thanks Again!

Josh
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
You said it right...you are no expert. The 110LSA cam will meet his goals NA and will work great on the spray. Some of you guys focus too much on LSAs and don't look at where the valve events are happening. The 228/232 110LSA +2 cam has excellent valve events for giving high dynamic compression along with good street manners and good peak power. It will rip NA and on the gas.

PS, don't open it up to 112LSA. Go with your first choice, it will be better. Advancing cams too far is the devil.
Thanks for clearing that up


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