228r, AFR heads, LS7 clutch results
07-09-2006, 08:31 AM
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228r, AFR heads, LS7 clutch results http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1439158
Im to lazy to start another thread, but this is how my car came out
No dyno numbers, and I havent gotten on the car hard yet. But I can feel the improvement just cruising. Normal cruising, the car feels no differance than the old system. What I mean by that is the car still drives close to stock, but the little Ive gotten on it , I can feel that something special in waiting for me when the motor breaks in. 3500-5800 there is a big differance between new and old set up.
Phil does a fine job on the cars he works on.
Im to lazy to start another thread, but this is how my car came out
No dyno numbers, and I havent gotten on the car hard yet. But I can feel the improvement just cruising. Normal cruising, the car feels no differance than the old system. What I mean by that is the car still drives close to stock, but the little Ive gotten on it , I can feel that something special in waiting for me when the motor breaks in. 3500-5800 there is a big differance between new and old set up.
Phil does a fine job on the cars he works on.
07-09-2006, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil'sC5vette
Im to lazy to start another thread, but this is how my car came out.
Didnt you just start another thread?
Copy and paste is a great thing.
Congrats on a solid car and a nice poker win!!
07-09-2006, 04:00 PM
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Where I had the parts installed does not have a dyno. If I come accross a dyno machine, Ill have to stop in.
I started with just under 370 RWHP. so I figure 10 more for the TSP228r upgrade over the TR224 and 40 for the AFRs 205s milled .020 off
So if im at 420 RWHP, Im a happy camper
I started with just under 370 RWHP. so I figure 10 more for the TSP228r upgrade over the TR224 and 40 for the AFRs 205s milled .020 off
So if im at 420 RWHP, Im a happy camper
07-10-2006, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil'sC5vette
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1439158
Im to lazy to start another thread, but this is how my car came out
No dyno numbers, and I havent gotten on the car hard yet. But I can feel the improvement just cruising. Normal cruising, the car feels no differance than the old system. What I mean by that is the car still drives close to stock, but the little Ive gotten on it , I can feel that something special in waiting for me when the motor breaks in. 3500-5800 there is a big differance between new and old set up.
Phil does a fine job on the cars he works on.
Im to lazy to start another thread, but this is how my car came out
No dyno numbers, and I havent gotten on the car hard yet. But I can feel the improvement just cruising. Normal cruising, the car feels no differance than the old system. What I mean by that is the car still drives close to stock, but the little Ive gotten on it , I can feel that something special in waiting for me when the motor breaks in. 3500-5800 there is a big differance between new and old set up.
Phil does a fine job on the cars he works on.
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07-10-2006, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil'sC5vette
Yes gunny,
The combo came out nice. Good power band, and fun to drive. Im glad to finially get the work done and the car home. 420 RWHP is enough for me. Once it gets broken in better, Ill look at the 3.90s
The combo came out nice. Good power band, and fun to drive. Im glad to finially get the work done and the car home. 420 RWHP is enough for me. Once it gets broken in better, Ill look at the 3.90s
3:90's are great def one of the best Mods Ive done. How are you liking that clutch?
07-11-2006, 06:27 PM
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im just doing a little math. I started at 370 RWHP
I could go high and say I m getting 10-15 out of the new cam, and 50 out of the AFRs, but I doubt it. I read a threat where a guy got 450 RWHP out of the about the same set it, but I doubt it. You can only tune them so much, before someone is pulling your leg
I could go high and say I m getting 10-15 out of the new cam, and 50 out of the AFRs, but I doubt it. I read a threat where a guy got 450 RWHP out of the about the same set it, but I doubt it. You can only tune them so much, before someone is pulling your leg
07-11-2006, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
I picked up about 25hp and tq from a better tune. My graph is all over this website as well. Aint no bullshit in hard facts. Its all in the tune. I went from 375hp/375tq cam only with what I thought was a good tune to 440-450hp and 420tq with heads and a dyno tune by someone who knew what they were doing. Thats a big difference and it isnt all in the heads.
07-11-2006, 09:32 PM
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Where is your 440/420 graph? Not trying to stir the pot but based off your trap speed and complaints about your tune I seriously doubt you are making the power you claim in your sig... Normally with 440rwhp you should be trapping at least 116-120+ Even with crappy 60fts....Your track results post
My 3450 lb Vette trapped 108-109 at LACR (think CRAP D/A 3500-4500 feet would be typical) when I was making 355 RWHP with a bonestock longblock and typical bolt-ons (LS6 intake, ported 78 mm TB, long tubes, air box, etc), and that was with stock LS1 heads of course. At the same track a year later my car went 120 MPH when I was putting down 475-480 RWHP with my stealthy very optimized AFR H/C package....Later that month I cracked 124 MPH at Famosa (1400 D/A) with no other changes.
Bottom line is that Phil's expectations aren't that misplaced....a typical 224-228 ish cam with 11 to 1 CR and our 205's will put down around 420-430 RWHP with an LS6 intake. Start hitting all the little details, the right tune, a killer exhaust, a ported FAST 90, bigger MAF, blah, blah, blah and 450's - 470's will come your way, more with larger cams like the X3's etc.
MPH is power BTW and those results can't be argued with....good D/A makes all the difference in the world of course, but if accounted for, the tale of the tape in regards to power production is all in the MPH portion of your timeslip. A car that hooks and has a killer set-up with the right converter, clutch set-up and a good driver will run the same MPH AND lay down a low ET as well. Whats interesting about MPH is even with crappy 60 foots, the MPH remains basically the same, and in some instances can even be a little higher if you spin coming out of the hole.
Looking foward to your results Phil....keep us posted.
Tony M.
Last edited by Tony Mamo @ AFR; 07-12-2006 at 11:32 AM.
07-11-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Sounds like you need more practice. Your numbers are low and unless you have a problem with compression its the tune. Only hoping for 420hp from a 228 and AFR's is just not normal thinking. I would expect 450+ from a properly tuned car with that combo.
Not trying to
with ya but I calls it the ways I see it.
Not trying to
with ya but I calls it the ways I see it. Show me a list of people that have done that.
07-11-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MSGHUFF
URL=https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526954]Your track results post[/URL]
His numbers are not low, there are no numbers yet. They tuned it on the street and it will hit the rollers eventually. If he hopes to hit 420, then great. He left a bit on the table with the mill and gasket... Not all folks are interested in making a number on paper so they can brag about it on the internet. Sounds like Phil should go to the dyno you go to- Maybe he'd break 440 on that mustang, then we can mathematically correct it 470 and talk about how great his tune is.
07-11-2006, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SVT THIS
Take it to a tuner, they'll have to have a dyno to get it dyno tuned. I'm sure you should see 420rwhp with a pretty high torque number with a good, flat curve on it once it's tuned. AFR's are real good at doing that
I'm sure you know by now you can not tune a car with 3 pulls on the dyno taking 15 seconds total. We tune the cars so the Fuel and timing are correct EVERYWHERE under the curve, 10-100% throttle, Idle -> Cruise -> Decel -> Light and hard acceleration not just 4th gear from 3000 - 6500. A REAL tune takes usually a couple of hours to correct all of the tables.
Whats hilarious is I've retuned cars from some of the larger east coast vendors and improved:
Driveability
Idle
Stop light mannors
Horsepower and torque
And guess what.... I don't use a dyno to tune the car.
07-11-2006, 11:48 PM
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Is that attachment supposed to be 440/420? Looks more like 405/380. So you did 108mph with 440rwhp? What were you 10,000' elevation and 4000#?
So if its not tuned on a load bearing dyno its not tuned correctly? If thats the the case I wonder how I stumbled on my tuneup to go 139 with a 346 and 150 shot.
So if its not tuned on a load bearing dyno its not tuned correctly? If thats the the case I wonder how I stumbled on my tuneup to go 139 with a 346 and 150 shot.
07-11-2006, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
You cant see the graph? Its right above your post? My 60's are 2.45 seconds average. You dont think that has anything to do with et and trap speed? Here I'll post it again
Here I'll post it again
07-12-2006, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Hard to believe a tr224 would be a dyno queen but at this point I cant argue. There is something wrong with the drivetrain. Wether it be KR or a slipping clutch or a combination of things I cant get off the line. You can poke fun at that all you want but it doesnt make me wrong about his low numbers.
For ref my results : cam only tr224 368/362
my out of the box AFR's and TR224 did 394/381 dyno post
added ported TB&underdrive pully 407/396 graph
Milled my AFR's .030 tightened my quench up with a .040 cometic head gasket installed the AFR 224/228 cam 440/418 graph 440/418