RealLiveMD

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I've spoken to the guys at Thunder and been told that these cams make similar power, however I've heard of guys making 430rwhp with the TR224 and max around 410 with the Cheatr. Also the dyno on thunder's site has a 224 doing almost the same within 10rwhp of a head and cam cheatr package. Anyone with experiences, races, track times, kill stories, please chime in.

Grimes

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From what I've read:

224 if you have headers and good flowing exhaust
CheaTR if you have stock manifolds and going for more stealth

slimcracka

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i wanted to compair the two for a while and i have manifolds..but i LOVE the way a cammed ls1 sounds.....iwould like to see some track times of the two or just of the cheater with all bolt on a4 car with manifolds...

'Trust'

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I'm assuming you are talking about a TR 224/224 .581/.581 112 LSA in a 6-speed, as I doubt there are many .563/.563 112 or 114 making 430 with that cam. With the correct boltons and a heck of a tune you could probably make 430 to the wheels with the TR224, but its a stretch, that is if you are talking about cam only, if not, I can see it with heads. The CheaTR is a great cam for stealth and won't lope like the TR224, making the cam almost undectectable at idle, but making great power up top. It really depends on your goal, do you want a loping, loud, motor shaking beast, or a more subtle, less loud, less loping, less motor shaking assassin?

RealLiveMD

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I prefer stealth, but I'm wondering is stealth going to cause me to be walked away from as if I'm not even modded.

RrCoX22

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if your not modded the cheatr cam is the better option...

running the 224/224 112 and put up 430rwhp exactly this is with LS6 ported heads though

99ccz28

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i was going through the same thing before i got lts. i ended up choosing to go ahead and get lts and the 224 with a 112 even with an auto. i wanted it to lope and i dont think it would have with a 114 lsa. i dont have any dyno numbers yet though.

KCS

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The Cheater cam is for combinations using stock exhaust manifolds, hence the wider LSA. A less restrictive exhaust will be able to evacuate the spent exhaust gasses better and take advantage of the overlap the TR224 has.

RealLiveMD

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My cheatr/ls6 ported head pkg makes 404, but the shop has to go back and pull the timing cover anyway, so I was thinking of having them put in a TR224. The cheatr even through headers sounds about like stock. My friends don't know that I've changed the car. The problem is... it's so much like stock until I can barely tell the difference unless I'm at WOT. I was probably at about 330rwhp with headers and lid before the install. I'm betting I'll trap around 113 or so. But with the 430/413 torque like RrCox22 I should have an easy 11 sec cobra eating monster.

oange ss

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you need heads with a TR224 to make that kind of power, you should be close with the Cheatr cam only

NEVR2ND

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My CheaTR 1/4 times are within .1 of my F13 which is bigger than the TR224. I love the way the CheaTR drives and sounds stock.

916LS1

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Don't want to hyjack this thead, but I am trying to make the same decition as RealLiveMD. I have shorty headers (which I guess are the same as stock), and I've decided to cam it, but can't decide between the 224 and the CheatR. Will the CheatR actually make more power with shorties because it's designed around them, or is it just better to go bigger with the 224?

00 Freak

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I'm very sure that i don't make 400rwhp. I have a tr224, stock 241 heads that are ported and milled .035. I dynoed the car two weeks ago. First pull made 336rwhp. 2nd 346 rwhp. 3rd 355rwhp. I was upset with the numbers, but found that I had a blown head gasket the whole time. Now the gasket have been replaced and i just need a tune. I probably be close to 400. Anyways, I went to the track fri and ran best 7.54 @91.28mph at a 1/8mi track. TR224 in my experiences is awesome cam for its size.

wilddawg

if you are going to race you will only trick a guy once so get a 224 set on 112. that's just my opinion

RealLiveMD

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So with LS6 ported heads and a 224, do you think 420rwhp and 410 torque is obtainable?

oange ss

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hp should be close, torque may fall a little short....depends on the setup

LS1GTA

How would the cheater fare in a 6.0L LQ9.