114+2: Install straight up or retard?
12-27-2006, 08:51 PM
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114+2: Install straight up or retard? I'm putting a 216/216 .588/.588 114+2 Comp in my LS1 for my fox mustang conversion. The motor will have bowl ported 243s milled .015, LS6 intake, and 1-3/4" longtubes. My question is for a daily driver with 3.55 gears should I install the cam straight up (to take advantage of the ground in advance) or retard it -2 degrees? What are the plus and minuses of each situation? Car will weigh 2,900 to 3,000 when finished. Thanks.
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12-28-2006, 10:25 AM
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There it is. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to tell me the cam is too small and worthless. It always seems to go back to the same thing on this forum.
12-28-2006, 10:57 AM
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small cams can make power,just won't make "internet hero" peak nos.
a friend of mine has a SBC with LPE ported heads with an LPE 219/219 dur.cam,plus all the bolt ons in a 90 firebird.with 3.73s and a 2800 stall TQ he runs consistent 12.20s.i think the most he's dynoed is 337rwhp.but the TQ curve is nice and broad.
you don't need a big cam to go fast.maximize the power in the rpm range your motor spends the most time in....
when you get done,post some track times and dyno nos.i bet you'll suprise a lot of people on here..
a friend of mine has a SBC with LPE ported heads with an LPE 219/219 dur.cam,plus all the bolt ons in a 90 firebird.with 3.73s and a 2800 stall TQ he runs consistent 12.20s.i think the most he's dynoed is 337rwhp.but the TQ curve is nice and broad.
you don't need a big cam to go fast.maximize the power in the rpm range your motor spends the most time in....
when you get done,post some track times and dyno nos.i bet you'll suprise a lot of people on here..
12-28-2006, 11:07 AM
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Well, I wasn't too concerned with getting the biggest cam out there because the car will be relatively light and like I said it will be my daily driver in Phoenix, in 115* heat, with A/C blasting, in rush hour traffic. I've done the big cam thing with my current 302 setup and to be honest I'm tired of it. Not that it's all that big, and it probably would do much better with a legitimate tune, but I'm not going to chase the extra 20-30 hp just to say I have it. Besides the cam has XER lobes, so I don't think it will be crap just because it has "only" 216 duration at .050.
With that being said, I was just trying to see what people on this forum have had with experience on straight up versus retarded on a 114+2 LSA cam. More specifically the differences with regards to power in different parts of the powerband. I appreciate everyone's input.
With that being said, I was just trying to see what people on this forum have had with experience on straight up versus retarded on a 114+2 LSA cam. More specifically the differences with regards to power in different parts of the powerband. I appreciate everyone's input.
12-28-2006, 11:45 AM
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I only said that because I made the mistake of going with a small 224 cam on my first setup. I was then disappointed within a few weeks because it just didn't have what I wanted. If you want that cam, go for it man. It's your baby. But here's a thought I have on those duration numbers:
Get a cam just like that, ground on LSK lobes. Should really breathe better, with minimal change in manners.
Get a cam just like that, ground on LSK lobes. Should really breathe better, with minimal change in manners.
12-28-2006, 12:19 PM
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Thanks for the advise N4cer. I think down the line when I do decide to change the cam out for something bigger I will try something on the LSK lobes. Right now, though, there hasn't been a whole lot of use with them on daily drivers so it makes me a little nervous using them without someone being the lab rat for testing of valve springs and their maintenance intervals.
Plus, like I said, I got a good deal on this cam, basically because of the reason you stated in your post. The guy bought it, liked it, but immediately wanted to go bigger. So, for my budget build-up it'll work.
Plus, like I said, I got a good deal on this cam, basically because of the reason you stated in your post. The guy bought it, liked it, but immediately wanted to go bigger. So, for my budget build-up it'll work.
12-28-2006, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick Double Nickel
Thanks for the advise N4cer. I think down the line when I do decide to change the cam out for something bigger I will try something on the LSK lobes. Right now, though, there hasn't been a whole lot of use with them on daily drivers so it makes me a little nervous using them without someone being the lab rat for testing of valve springs and their maintenance intervals.
Plus, like I said, I got a good deal on this cam, basically because of the reason you stated in your post. The guy bought it, liked it, but immediately wanted to go bigger. So, for my budget build-up it'll work.
Plus, like I said, I got a good deal on this cam, basically because of the reason you stated in your post. The guy bought it, liked it, but immediately wanted to go bigger. So, for my budget build-up it'll work.
12-28-2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick Double Nickel
Well, I wasn't too concerned with getting the biggest cam out there because the car will be relatively light and like I said it will be my daily driver in Phoenix, in 115* heat, with A/C blasting, in rush hour traffic. I've done the big cam thing with my current 302 setup and to be honest I'm tired of it. Not that it's all that big, and it probably would do much better with a legitimate tune, but I'm not going to chase the extra 20-30 hp just to say I have it. Besides the cam has XER lobes, so I don't think it will be crap just because it has "only" 216 duration at .050.
With that being said, I was just trying to see what people on this forum have had with experience on straight up versus retarded on a 114+2 LSA cam. More specifically the differences with regards to power in different parts of the powerband. I appreciate everyone's input.
With that being said, I was just trying to see what people on this forum have had with experience on straight up versus retarded on a 114+2 LSA cam. More specifically the differences with regards to power in different parts of the powerband. I appreciate everyone's input.
12-28-2006, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RyneZ06
my buddy 2c5s daily drives his cam 223-227 lsk lobes, has over 10,000 miles i think on it
Originally Posted by YankeeVert.
I was told that you could not get the XER lobes on any duration less than 220*. Are you sure they are XER lobes?
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12-28-2006, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick Double Nickel
That's good to hear. I hope to hear about many more successful applications in the future before I decide to upgrade.
Yeah, I've seen that too. Too be honest I'm not 100% sure. The guy selling me the cam said it was a .588/.588 cam with XER lobes, which corresponds to what I've seen, but like you I haven't seen anything smaller than 220. I'll see when the cam comes with the cam card for sure.
Yeah, I've seen that too. Too be honest I'm not 100% sure. The guy selling me the cam said it was a .588/.588 cam with XER lobes, which corresponds to what I've seen, but like you I haven't seen anything smaller than 220. I'll see when the cam comes with the cam card for sure.
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Well, as an update to my previous post I've recieved my Comp cam and cam card yesterday and the guy did advertise it correctly. Here's the specs according to the cam card:
Part #: 54-000-11
Grind #: LS1 3760R / 3760R HR114+2
Serial No: Y9807
Gross Valve Lift: .588/.588
Duration at .006: 265/265
Duration at .050: 216/216
Lobe Seperation: 114
Installed at 112 intake centerline
I've looked at PianoProdigy's excel spreadsheet and can't find the lobes in any of the listings and I never found it on the Comp website either so I don't know what ramps it has. I'm starting to think that it my actually have XFI lobes, but maybe someone else can tell me.
The card says More Performance, Inc. I haven't been able to find that shop on the internet either so I don't know if they're still around.
Part #: 54-000-11
Grind #: LS1 3760R / 3760R HR114+2
Serial No: Y9807
Gross Valve Lift: .588/.588
Duration at .006: 265/265
Duration at .050: 216/216
Lobe Seperation: 114
Installed at 112 intake centerline
I've looked at PianoProdigy's excel spreadsheet and can't find the lobes in any of the listings and I never found it on the Comp website either so I don't know what ramps it has. I'm starting to think that it my actually have XFI lobes, but maybe someone else can tell me.
The card says More Performance, Inc. I haven't been able to find that shop on the internet either so I don't know if they're still around.
