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Swap to ZO6 cam for total money spent 100 dollars?
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Stock Cam Swap, Please Help!!

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Old 01-22-2007, 05:48 PM
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Default Stock Cam Swap, Please Help!!

Okya, here's the deal. Just got done putting torquer 2 in my 98 SS and my buddy has an 02 T/A. I know the stock cam form my car is slightly larger than his, but the question.... Would we gain anythign from putting my stock cam in his car?? If so, Over 10RWHP? Please let me know if anyone knows, if you're just BS'ing it, don't bother, cause we seriously will do this if we can net ten or more to the wheels. Let me know guys
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Youre gonna do a cam swap for a possible 10HP, lol. Please tell me your joking!! Why the hell would you do a cam swap for a lousy 10HP, you might as well go buy a Tornado for your intake and a muffler bearing instead.

Most likely you wont gain ****. Go ahead and waste your time trying it out though and report back after you do a before and after dyno run with your results, which BTW will vary by outside temp/humidity/engine temp anyway.

Ahh I see youre local to me too.

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Dont waste your time. Its not worth 10hp even if you could gain that.
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why not, 10 WHP for 50 bucks? Who says that's not worth it? I got nothing but time and it's simple install, plus can throw on underdrive pulley since i'm there! And muffler bearing guy, you're not funny...nope, you're not. Too bad, you tried. i asked for help, not an "a" hole


Anyone actually know

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Originally Posted by 98SS1LWEE
why not, 10 WHP for 50 bucks? Who says that's not worth it? I got nothing but time and it's simple install, plus can throw on underdrive pulley since i'm there! And muffler bearing guy, you're not funny...nope, you're not. Too bad, you tried. i asked for help, not an "a" hole


Anyone actually know
You asked for help and you got it, It is not worth the time or effort to swap a stock cam for a stock cam. I told you already you most likely wont gain **** anyway, sorry if you couldnt handle the muffler bearing joke. If you want to do the underdrive pulley then just do that and dont bother with the cam.

Of course nobody actually knows from experience what the gain is because nobody does that kind of swap, its impractical.
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Why do you say impractical??? 50 bucks for ten to the wheels? How is that impractical if i got tools, time, and experience with an easy job?

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Well it seems to me that you have already made up your mind. Do it and see it certainly wont hurt anything i would imagine.
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your better off picking up a used 224 cam or something a little more worthwhile...
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Originally Posted by 98SS1LWEE
Why do you say impractical??? 50 bucks for ten to the wheels? How is that impractical if i got tools, time, and experience with an easy job?
Ok go ahead and do it then, and dyno it before and after, and report back with your results. There is a reason that nobody does it. If youre gonna dig in like that then most people will just fork out some $$ and just buy an aftermarket cam. Youre gonna swap a stock one for a stock one yet youre gonna buy a pulley while youre doing it. Im sorry but thats retarded, you could take the money from the pulley and the 50 for the stock cam and you almost have a new aftermarket cam or at the least a GM Hotcam since it doesnt need springs or any other valvetrain components.

To each his though, go ahead and do it since you have nothing better to do. Dont be upset when it doesnt gain anything. You will barely even feel 10Hp to the wheels anyway and 10Hp is well within dyno/environment conditions/engine temp margin of error.
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Heres the difference, its pretty much nothing.

98-99
Duration@.050 198.86 intake 209.25 exhaust
Lift .498 intake .497 exhausts
LSA 119.45

01-02
Duration@.050 196.37 intake 208.72 exhaust
Lift .464 intake .479 exhausts
LSA 115.92
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Well, the cam i will give to him for free, i have my torquer 2, so i don't need it. The gaskets and fluid all totals fifty, and nobody has argued with 10 to the wheels for fifty bucks. Havent' made up my mind, just thought someone actually knew what kind of difference it would make, evidently noone knows, i guess cause it's retarded, but free cam that's bigger than the one in now, can't hurt now can it?

Stock 98-00 trans am cam

Duration@.050 198.86 intake 209.25 exhaust
Lift .498 intake .497 exhausts
LSA 119.45

Stock 01-02 trans am cam

Duration@.050 196.37 intake 208.72 exhaust
Lift .464 intake .479 exhausts
LSA 115.92

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Originally Posted by 98SS1LWEE
Well, the cam i will give to him for free, i have my torquer 2, so i don't need it. The gaskets and fluid all totals fifty, and nobody has argued with 10 to the wheels for fifty bucks. Havent' made up my mind, just thought someone actually knew what kind of difference it would make, evidently noone knows, i guess cause it's retarded, but free cam that's bigger than the one in now, can't hurt now can it?
Umm read my last post, the difference is pretty much nill in the cams. There is a reason nobody knows. Because nobody would bother doing it. And yeah $50 for 10HP isnt bad, but you aint gonna get **** from swapping those cams, so why bother?

Neither of those cam is actually bigger than the other anyway If you think one of those is significantly bigger than you havent a clue. id rather have the 01-02 cam just due to the LSA.
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sorry, you know all, like i said, it was a shot in the dark, and if someone knows i'll listen, but brad. Buddy, heard your opinion, now let IT G O ! ! ! I never said significant, go install your motor and quit playing on the computer
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hey man, bolt-ons and nitrous got you 462? That's good numbers. Let me guess? STP? i got a friend who ran consisten low 11's on 150 shot with bolt-ons and got two consisten 435 pulls on nthe same bottle
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Originally Posted by 98SS1LWEE
hey man, bolt-ons and nitrous got you 462? That's good numbers. Let me guess? STP? i got a friend who ran consisten low 11's on 150 shot with bolt-ons and got two consisten 435 pulls on nthe same bottle
Whats your point? Good for ur friend, why dont you step up instead of talking smack for your friend?
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What, i compliment and you are just a jerk! What you running? And was it STP? You don't have to be a *****, i promise
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Originally Posted by 98SS1LWEE
sorry, you know all, like i said, it was a shot in the dark, and if someone knows i'll listen, but brad. Buddy, heard your opinion, now let IT G O ! ! ! I never said significant, go install your motor and quit playing on the computer
Look I tried to tell you what you asked, if you cant understand it then thats your problem. Go ahead and swap the cams, it will make no difference to me, I was just trying to tell you that it wont help any.
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Originally Posted by 98SS1LWEE
What, i compliment and you are just a jerk! What you running? And was it STP? You don't have to be a *****, i promise
My bad man, thought you were trying to be sarcastic, lol. What you mean by STP?

BTW my engine is sitting on a stand at the craft shop on Hunter. Waiting for head gaskets/bolts/seals/etc...
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Ah, where did you dyno? And did they tune? ST Performance in Savannah is what i was talking baout, jsut wondered if you dynoed there or somewhere else? Also, you runnuing a 200 shot? 250? What kind of delivery?
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*slowly backs out of thread*

Frankly I'd like to see what the #s would look like on a stock 01-02 with a 98-00 cam.

Why, why not!

I say give it to him, spend some time hang out eat a pizza drink some beers install it and just have some fun turning wrenches.

Will it help alot no, will it help some, maybe. Will it be interesting back to back dnyo yes and please do it



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