A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered....
09-07-2002, 01:33 PM
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A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... I recently found out that the guy who is the head porter for the heads I bought has been in the hospital for 2 weeks, I have 3 sets of heads ahead of me to get ported so that means more waitng, so that means I'm going to start looking into another brand...
ARE STAGE 2 heads with 2.08/1.60 valves are on the top of my list....I am running stock cubes, and I have an MTI "X1" cam -- 230/227 .591/.571 -- 112lsa to match it with....would these heads been a good choice???
GTP STAGE 2's are 2nd on my list...2.02/1.57 valves....
I would prefer the ARE's....
Can you guys give me some imput on weather or not it would be wise to run the ARE's?
Thanks,
Bos
ARE STAGE 2 heads with 2.08/1.60 valves are on the top of my list....I am running stock cubes, and I have an MTI "X1" cam -- 230/227 .591/.571 -- 112lsa to match it with....would these heads been a good choice???
GTP STAGE 2's are 2nd on my list...2.02/1.57 valves....
I would prefer the ARE's....
Can you guys give me some imput on weather or not it would be wise to run the ARE's?
Thanks,
Bos
09-07-2002, 01:52 PM
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... From what I have notice the 2.08 intake valves are to big for stock displacement motor and people have been getting poor numbers from ARE heads with that setup.I have heard nothing but good things from GTP heads though and those or MTI stage 2 heads is what I would go with for sure.Unless of course you plan to upgrade to more displacement then dont go any higher than a 2.055 on the intake side of the heads.Its a bit overkill if you do and will hurt more than help in most cases.Not to knock ARE however I have seen people redyno with their newer head designs and put out the numbers they were suppose to the first time so maybe they corrected the design.
09-07-2002, 01:56 PM
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... I was afraid of the valves being too big...
But...
They are $110 cheaper than the GTP's...
Tbyrne sells them for $2289
GTP's go for $2399
I've heard nothing but good about GTP heads, I really haven't heard much on ARE's recently now that you mention it..
But...
They are $110 cheaper than the GTP's...
Tbyrne sells them for $2289
GTP's go for $2399
I've heard nothing but good about GTP heads, I really haven't heard much on ARE's recently now that you mention it..
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... Bigbos - You can get whatever size valves you want in the heads. Just give ARE a call or one of the sponsors that carry their heads and tell them what you want. I think they are using 2.05/1.60 in there stage II now but, I'm not 100% sure on that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
For stock cubes 2.02-2.05/1.57-1.60 seem to work great.
There are strong running cars from every head porter/engine shop on this board.
John
For stock cubes 2.02-2.05/1.57-1.60 seem to work great.
There are strong running cars from every head porter/engine shop on this board.
John
09-07-2002, 02:08 PM
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... How well do the ARE's flow compared to other heads...they say then include flow charts...
I just want to throw an excellent set of heads on the car and say forget it...I don't want to spend over $2500 bucks...
I just want to throw an excellent set of heads on the car and say forget it...I don't want to spend over $2500 bucks...
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... I guess with the ARE's I have a choice of 2.055 or 2.08 valves on the intake side, is 2.055/1.60 still too big?
09-07-2002, 02:32 PM
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... ARE's 2.08/1.60 stuff doesn't seem to dyno well, but it runs well at the track. I like proven track results better than dyno sheets. You can get the 2.05 valves or even the truck heads like I think Chris Pippy now has. His first dyno numbers were low, but I'll take his 123 mph (or whatever it was) trap speed any day.
GTP's truck heads do very well and would be my next choice. MTI seems to produce consistently good results, no danager in handing them your money. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
MMS seems to do ok, but be watch out - they often cause trollitis in white rats! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
GTP's truck heads do very well and would be my next choice. MTI seems to produce consistently good results, no danager in handing them your money. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
MMS seems to do ok, but be watch out - they often cause trollitis in white rats! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... so what should I do folks....need some more input, maybe some people with GTP's and ARE's can chime in...
Thanks,
Bos
Thanks,
Bos
09-07-2002, 03:29 PM
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... I'll give another nod to JPR Stage 2's
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by XLR8NSS:
<strong>There are strong running cars from every head porter/engine shop on this board.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Couldn't have said it any better. You can buy stage 2 heads from some shop with stock valves, then buy stage 2 heads from another shop with huge valves. Some can throw down shitty dyno #'s but huge mph at the track, and others are just dyno queens. I think its more important to match the heads up with the cam and make a stronger package.
I am very happy with my mms heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>There are strong running cars from every head porter/engine shop on this board.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Couldn't have said it any better. You can buy stage 2 heads from some shop with stock valves, then buy stage 2 heads from another shop with huge valves. Some can throw down shitty dyno #'s but huge mph at the track, and others are just dyno queens. I think its more important to match the heads up with the cam and make a stronger package.
I am very happy with my mms heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... Well I have an MTI "X1" cam...
MTI heads are too expensive...
GTP's or ARE's...
What to do, what to do... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
MTI heads are too expensive...
GTP's or ARE's...
What to do, what to do... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... ARE heads seem to work very poorly with even single pattern cams... I'd be hesitant to pair them up with a reverse split. Like people have said, all the companies on this board are reputable. Just to throw another one your way... Cartek. Although, I have to say, there is a lot to be said for going with heads & cam from the same vendor. IF you are hell bent against spending the money for MTI, I would talk to Thunder racing since they also have experience with high lift reverse split cams.
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... Any set I order will be through Speed Inc. most likely since they are my local shop...they carry 4 sets of heads...
ARE
GTP
RGR
Cartek
I haven't seen many people running Cartek's, ARE's, I was on the list for RGR's, but I can't have my car down for months, so I got to decide on a head...
In another post I recenlty saw, GTP's were praised all over...
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ARE
GTP
RGR
Cartek
I haven't seen many people running Cartek's, ARE's, I was on the list for RGR's, but I can't have my car down for months, so I got to decide on a head...
In another post I recenlty saw, GTP's were praised all over...
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... Do a search, a lot of poor results with the ARE heads. There is an increasingly large group ( I can name 7 others) that have dynoed below 400 rwhp with ARE heads and cam, on an M6. Track times can be good if you drop weight, etc... Personally I have yet to break into the 11s with my setup.
Ive posted this before, and people ignore it and still get the ARE's, then a month or so later i see a post about poor dyno or track results. Do what you want, but dont say you werent warned.
Ive posted this before, and people ignore it and still get the ARE's, then a month or so later i see a post about poor dyno or track results. Do what you want, but dont say you werent warned.
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... Hmmmm...thats not good...I guess I should stay away from the ARE's then...
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Re: A.R.E Stage II heads with 2.08/1.60 valves...need some ?'s answered.... I would recommend the 2.055 intake. ARE heads flow extremely well at low lift numbers versus some of the other heads on the market. This will enhance drivability, torque and average HP. Don't pay to much attention to high lift numbers that are advertised since those numbers are achieved at the expense of low lift flow. They currently have stock dispalcement motors over 440 RWHP with their head and cam combo. The X1 cam should be an excellent cam for an M6 car. Go for it, you will be very pleased and extremely fast. What more could you want?