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Old 04-23-2007, 09:59 PM
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Angry someone tell me whats wrong w/ my setup

people making the same power cam only, what wrong with my setup.

mods are in the sig, ill answer any Qs u guys have about my setup
edit: stock headgaskets, ls6(243cast) heads 2.04in/1.575ex valves, 7.4pushrods, ls6 manifold, stock unported TB, cam lined up dot-dot

edit: more mods listed further down

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Air/fuel ratio? Timing? Clutch slipping?

What did it dyno before the mods? Any track times?

I think that covers all the basic questions people will ask
Old 04-24-2007, 07:50 AM
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Was that on a mustang dyno? If so then your numbers arent bad

Post up the dyno graph if you have it
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Something is wrong with those numbers??? That sounds about right to me. Some of the mods you list (the MSD coils for instance) won't really have much of an affect on power unless the increased spark is buring fuel that you are otherwise wasting. Good GM coils burn plenty hot. With the ts v.2 cam, those numbers sound dead on. I had the same cam in a 346ci LS1, ported heads, long tubes, BBK intake, ported tb and ma, and made 412/382. What numbers are you looking for? Are you sure peeps is cam only? A cam only car with the ts v.2 cam should make about 340-350 to the wheels. If he is making more, he has one of the GM miracle loose factory engines. Maybe they slipped in a 4 inch crank and a set of pistons or something
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Originally Posted by 5ltrBetr
Are you sure peeps is cam only? A cam only car with the ts v.2 cam should make about 340-350 to the wheels. If he is making more, he has one of the GM miracle loose factory engines. Maybe they slipped in a 4 inch crank and a set of pistons or something
A full bolt on LS1 can spit out 350rw. 400rw with a cam only isnt anything out of the ordinary. Its been dont countless times with a 224 cam. If they had a 4 inch crank (383) they should easily be on the other side of 450rw.
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As for the original poster. First off, the stock gaskets arent helping you, and you dont state if the heads are milled or not. Secondly, you dont have a dyno friendly driveline. Chances are you have the stock heavy flywheel, along with a steel driveshaft in addition to the 18inch wheels and 3.73's in a 12 bolt. Most the "internet" cars you hear about are 6 speeds on the stock aluminum driveshaft with a 10 bolt along with 16 or 17inch wheels.
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1)dyno #s b4 the H/C were 333whp/352wtq on a diffrent dynojet, sig #s are from the dynojet at TSP. i dont have the graph with me, but i have the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVJE_-5E65E u can see the air fuel there. havnt been to the track yet. clutch wasnt slipping
2)dyno jet #'s
3)some guys on here are making the same power cam only(Tq v.2) im on all the Tq v.2 threads.
4)as u can see in the vid, the dyno was done on my 18in wheels, i have an aluminuim DS, clutch at the time was LS6, 12bolt and 3.73s. the heads are not milled. i thought i couldnt use a thinner gasket because of the valves (2.04in/1.575ex)

thanx for the replys guys, so now i have another question

what would u guys do to get more power out of my setup?

i already have the ported TB waiting to be put on, and i might buy a pulley later on. and i kno about getting a fast90/90 but i dont have the $$ for it now
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Be happy with that

My 99z has full bolt ons and a 224/224 .581/.581

And i only got 328 to the wheels
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Originally Posted by Big Budda
Be happy with that

My 99z has full bolt ons and a 224/224 .581/.581

And i only got 328 to the wheels
somthing is def. wrong w/ ur setup , i made 333whp on full bolt ons
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i know just havent figured it out yet

i think it has alot to do with the tune
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Originally Posted by DONAIMIAN
As for the original poster. First off, the stock gaskets arent helping you, and you dont state if the heads are milled or not. Secondly, you dont have a dyno friendly driveline. Chances are you have the stock heavy flywheel, along with a steel driveshaft in addition to the 18inch wheels and 3.73's in a 12 bolt. Most the "internet" cars you hear about are 6 speeds on the stock aluminum driveshaft with a 10 bolt along with 16 or 17inch wheels.
Sorry to jack this thread a little but I must ask. How much is the average gain going to be by going to a billet fly wheel? I understand what your saying about the stock driveline losses. Just was wondering if you had any idea what could had by going to a billet fly wheel? 5, 10, or even 12 hp?

Off Topic, what's T. Nunn feeling about this years offense? PM me if you want.
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anyone??? ttt
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Originally Posted by SSTowerman
Sorry to jack this thread a little but I must ask. How much is the average gain going to be by going to a billet fly wheel? I understand what your saying about the stock driveline losses. Just was wondering if you had any idea what could had by going to a billet fly wheel? 5, 10, or even 12 hp?

Off Topic, what's T. Nunn feeling about this years offense? PM me if you want.
Id say betwene 5-15 is reasonable. I run the AL flywheel in my car and its 12lbs, when the stocker is 25ish. 12lbs might not seem like a lot, but it is at 6500rpm.

As for t-nunn, ill call him later today and talk to him about it. pm me incase i forget.
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damn thread hijackers
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Well the 12 bolt and wheels are not helping the numbers, but remember that a Dyno is just a tuning tool. What you need to do is get some seat time and get over to Sacto and see what she does in the 1320!
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Dude don't be upset about your numbers. Take it to the track and see what it runs. My car did 392RWHP/365RWTQ with a 226/234 .588/.588 114 LSA and stage 2 ported 241 heads with 1.85ratio rockers before my tune. I ran a 7.86@92 MPH @3560 raceweight with a 1.87 60' and times in sig on a 150 shot. After the tune I did 405/373 and never took it to the track, but I picked up 20 RWHP/30 RWTQ across the board (average power). I had 350 RWTQ @3000 RPM's! Also my buddy has a H/C car with TSP LS6 heads, and there 233/239 cam and he did 400RWHP/380RWTQ with a locked 3800 stall. He took it to the track and ran a 7.50@93 on motor full weight on 17" drag radials and on a 100shot he ran a 7.30@103 letting out because of traction. Don' let dyno numbers get you down or peak horsepower get you down. Look at power under the curve and run it at the track. That is how you prove dyno numbers!
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ok so say i pull the heads to replace the lifters or for what ever reason, what could i do to increase hp/tq.???
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Originally Posted by TeEnAgE pHeNoM
Dude don't be upset about your numbers. Take it to the track and see what it runs.


Mine made "371rwhp", went 12.0@117.5. 6-speed at 3600lbs on 17" DR's and a 2.0 60'.
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ok ok, ill go to the track guys!!! i kno
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406rwhp with a 12bolt and big rims could easily eat up 3% more through the drivetrain...which would make the car dyno 418-420rwhp. which still seems a bit low, but it's not unheard of.

as for 5ltrBetr's comment:

"A cam only car with the ts v.2 cam should make about 340-350 to the wheels"

are you ******* nuts!!!??? low 23x cam only cars run around 380-400rwhp regularly. hell mine did on a slipping clutch and poor tuning.


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