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Old 06-10-2007, 10:22 AM
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Question Running PRC dual golds with MS3, now going to smaller cam and have some ?'s...

As the title reads, I am currently running a set of PRC 5.3 heads with an MS3...the valve springs are the dual PRC golds, good to .650 lift I believe....

I decided to swap cams to something smaller, the equivalent to a g5x1 to be exact.

I have some questions...

Will the springs need to be swapped as well? If not, will the seat pressure created by the Golds be a bit much for a cam with .588 lift? Remember, the MS3 is .603/.609

***as a side note, is it a good rule of thumb to always change valve springs when changing cams?

THANKS!
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i have the TSP 228R with PRC duals pretty much the same as Patriolt Golds, been running that setup for almost a year/10k miles. so the're fine for a .588 lift, XER Lobe cam.

how many miles do you currently have on the patriots ? from there you can decide whether or not to replace them. if you have less than 10k miles, i think it would be ok to keep them.

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When I put my heads on I had the option of keeping my old Patriots which had maybe 5k miles on them. But I decided to put on new ones just for peace of mind. Plus those lobes a pretty aggressive. You are going to be under there anyway what's another couple hundred bucks?
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Why you changing out the MS3 Erik? Don't like the powerband or shooting for a different set-up?
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try a torquer 2....and i use my patriot golds with less then .600 lift theyll be cool
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hey eric are you on stock 3.42s? assuming your a M6?
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Originally Posted by sidewayz28
hey eric are you on stock 3.42s? assuming your a M6?
Hey buddy
I was running 4.10's....but i blew that 10 bolt into outer space on an 1/8th mile a few weeks ago

I am back to 3.42's now, yes

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Why you changing out the MS3 Erik? Don't like the powerband or shooting for a different set-up?
-Joel
Hey Joel,

Well I am planning on spraying a nice 50-75 shot at the track, and the MS3 may be a bit much for the stock bottom end to handle with that shot...
plus, yes, the powerband is a BIT high....I picked up a 228/232 112+4...aka STREET SWEEPER lol..

I am still debating whether to put it in or not though...I do love the MS3 90% of the time...too bad my idle is ****

Erik
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ps- my new combo has only 1000-1500 miles on it....not much at all as I NEVER drive her....hell the PRC golds are probably fresh as hell lol

Erik
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I ran PRC duals with the stock cam for about 10k miles. Don't ask.
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the duals will be fine. what lobes is the new cam on? the xe or xer's? if its on the xers id def leave them be.
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Your good with those springs eric. I ran duals in my old car with a 225/225 cam, and run duals with the 228/230 cam in this car.
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cool thanks fellas...

Tommy, dont knopw what kind of lobes they are...I will ask the guy...it was a custom grind from comp..

maybe he knows..
Maybe Ill have it doctored....how much does that cost anyway?

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The duals will be fine. Youre not in danger of collapsing a lifter. Unless youre intentionally looking for a very light valvetrain, no such thing as overspringing a cam. Atleast not with gold duals.
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Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
Hey buddy

Well I am planning on spraying a nice 50-75 shot at the track, and the MS3 may be a bit much for the stock bottom end to handle with that shot...
plus, yes, the powerband is a BIT high....I picked up a 228/232 112+4...aka STREET SWEEPER lol..

I am still debating whether to put it in or not though...I do love the MS3 90% of the time...too bad my idle is ****

Erik
Idle quality is going to be in the tune, you really cant blame that on the cam, well not a MS3 that is.

And you can easily spray a 50-75 shot on your current setup. Once again, make a safe tune, dont spray in the lower RPM's to keep your torque in check, and it will be fine.
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Originally Posted by TheBlurLS1
I ran PRC duals with the stock cam for about 10k miles. Don't ask.

why? what happend?
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Still not happy with TQ numbers so you spraying the hell out of it.

Good luck man.
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large cams suck
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no I was going to a smaller cam which will make more torque, THEN spray!
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I dont think you can get more TQ Unless your doing something do the heads.

Did you dynoed the car with 3.42 or 4.10?
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lol id'a been more then happy with those numbers.. then with a 100 shot you would really got some torque..



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