bayer-z28

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Ok. I've read thru a MESS of cam threads on here. I've also read a lot about Partick G's head and intake flow stuff in a couple threads. So I'm sold on a set of TF heads due to their mid lift flow #'s and the redesigned valve angle.

The thing is, I'll decide on a Cam, then I change my mind. This has happened about a dozen times so far and I'm gettign frusterated. -Granted seeing all these cam threads has to be a frickin PAIN on you guys, I know I get tired of seeing them too. I'll decide on somethign then new info will come across and I change my mind. IMO, HUGE cams aren't all that. You have to tach the **** out of it to get the power and the street manners aren't all there. I have the, "You might make 500hp @ 6200rpm, but I can DD my 228 cam." -Type mentality.

I was decided on a 224/228 ish cam, then I went w/ a MS3, then I went w/ the Torquer V2 (I REALLY like the V2 #s, but it could be a little different, a little more lift and slightly less duration). My LONG term plans are a turbo set up, but cams are relitively cheap, so changing it in 4 years or so isn't a big deal. I just want a choppy idle w/ good street manners and will lay the smack down on the GTO's in my car club (they're not really modded and I like to stay a step ahead)

Ok... I've read a thread about Patrick G's "Torque comming out of my ears!" w/ that 224/228 .637/.639 110LSA cam... I'm starting to think that duration denotes street manners and lift is the power, EXH lift is TQ.. .-I like to think I know a lot about cams, but I've summed it up to that... Basically...

Ok, Ok... I'll get to the point now... I want to stay under .610 lift because I don't really want to be changing valve springs every 10k miles. I'd like somewhat of a 'mild' cam, but not 224/224 581 .581 114 mild. What I think I've settled on is a 228/230 .598 .600 on a 112 or 110 LSA..OR change the lift to .600 .605. Who makes a cam like that? I've gone thru Futral's cam selection and I saw a couple w/ #'s I like.

!HELP! I'M getting TIRED of changine my damn mind!!!!
Questions? Comments? Problems?

98_Formula

iTrader: (15)

have a custom cam done for what you want then you won't have to "settle" for the closest thing. it looks like you did the research and your pretty set on what you want, now just pull the trigger b4 you change your mind.

bayer-z28

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"Pull the trigger before you change your mind." ... .. yeah I should.. I'm orolly going to get the cam soon, but the heads will have to wait a couple more checks when I FINALLY pay the car off ($900 left!)

What do ya'll think of the 228/230 .600 .605 112? Retard or advance sugestions? +1 ok?

bayer-z28

iTrader: (14)

I haven't found ANYONE who has medium to lower duration and a .610-ish lift... Is that lift just NOT used or something??

The majority of the cam selection out there seems to go from .598 ish lift and JUMPS to .639 ish lift.... Why??

I'm looking for Mild duration and medium lift.. 228 or 230 duration and .610ish lift.

cassfrc

I was in the same boat as you i just didnt know what i wanted. 224R for great torque and streetability or a donkey dick cam to make some big number's and power! It is hard to resist the big #'s people put down with big cams! I ended up just saying F it one day and ordered up my h/c package from TSP 228R cam 112, prc 5.3 stge 2.5 headS! My car sounds awesome and pulls great! I could barely tell a difference from stock below 3K,and above that it really rips!

bsf

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Based on what everyone reports and my own limited experience, IMO anything in the 230’s is a poor selection for a daily driver. There are exceptions and “drivability” is subjective. As you probably know, tuning will have a huge effect. The guy who helped me tweak my mail-order tune runs a 232/238 and it seems his car has real good street manners. He seems to be a pretty good tuner, though, and seems to really have his tune dialed in. I am still getting used to my nominal 224/228 .581/.588 110+2 cam, but I am quite certain I would not want to go bigger for my fair weather driver. Good luck.

bayer-z28

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^ cool... I'm going to have the tune done for Speed density also. It's supposed to help drivablility a LOT w/ a cam, and make it a little easier to tune..

NaSSty Nate

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This right here proves you don't know entirely to much about cams...more than likely the 598 lift is on an xer lobe and the 639 is an lsk lobe...it's more lift but it's the way the lobe ramps up etc etc...do a search on xe, vs xer vs lsk lobes etc.

Figure out what the heads are going to do and then get Patrick G to grind you a custom cam.

bayer-z28

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^ I'm going w/ TF heads.. I contacted TR already for advice and they told me to get gears first.. I'm an Auto X'r, so I'm not sure if 4.10's would be the best idea.

I know what XER lobes are, I'm just not into the mathematical side of the cams theory. I HATE math.. I can barely balance a check book. XER lobes are just more of an aggressive ramp rate. Ramp rate is defined as the time it takes to go max lift measured in degrees of rotation from .050" lift, right?

I know enough to be dangerous.

98_Formula

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you mean your an auto xer as a hobby, or career, or your going to use this car as an auto xer?

TXZ28LS1

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why not look into the reverse split grinds like the MTI X1 or TR 230/224. those cams make sick midragne and is more than enough for a street car. plus MTI is coming out with a new cam thats supposed to just make nasty tq!!

bayer-z28

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^ I'm a hobby Auto Xer... I go when I can. I think that may be the main goal for this car... I'll try a couple 1/4's to get some times.

That's the second time I've heard abotu the split cams.. I think someone's trying to bash me over the head w/ this one. I think I'll have to put some serious concideration into that grind..

MTI..

I Like the G1 @ 228/232 .588 .575 113

or the X1, like you said.

230/227 .591 .571 112.. -

NaSSty Nate

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you may know what an XER lobe is but do you know what the LSK lobe is?

bayer-z28

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^ OK.. You've proven your damn point do0d... frickin kill me that I don't know as much as you about cams! I'm not saying I know EVERYTHING, I know what I want and I'm just looking for advice. I'm just trying to find one that's with in the specs I'm looking for! Yeah, we can all be pretty picky when looking for a cam.. Come to think of it, I'll go back to what I said earlier abotu cams being reletivly cheap. I'll just buy one that looks about right and and quit bugging you guys w/ my cam drama.. Yes, I'm picky.. Sorry.. I'd like the best bang for my buck. That's what all this research is for anyway. Seeing as #'s and I don't get along, I'll have to settle w/ knowing the average about bump sticks.

Learn me then.. WTF is an LSk lobe? Mr. know it all..

I like the MTI grinds. I'm not seeing one that has the specs I mentioned before.. There's prolly a lot more to it than I realise. Maybe valve events won't be quite right on my 'desired' specs..

nexvctm2001ss

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Check out LG's camshafts I went with the X3 and couldn't have made a better choice