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I've seen the cost of resleeved blocks. I understand people have to make money, but I'm living on a government paycheck for 4 more years lol. What would be an average cost for a shop to resleeve a block *that I send them* (I can get one cheap) with Darton sleeves? I guess what I need to know is what is the price of the sleeves, and the labor cost, or am I just forced to buy a block from the shop that does it (hint-sponsors)?

ibjamin

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The places that are doing that are all requiring a block core charge. Supplying your own block is part of the cost.

I've heard that the cost of the sleaves from Darton is $1200. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

You're looking at about $2500 for that setup, with your core.

George E.

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Yep, that's what I thought. The sleeves, plus the price of a block I can get for $500 (Valvegod) = an $800 labor charge. Stop the madness <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

dug

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Plus new pistons. Looks like it adds up to 3grand minumum. Whats so special about the Darton sleeves?

mikey

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We sell the blocks for $2250 plus core.

Mikey

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Pretty much the same numbers I keep coming up with. It looks like over $3000 going into the short block (block, Darton sleeves, new pistons, rods, crank etc) if we supply our own block.

Add in heads & new cam...

I don't think I'm going to get to do this after all... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

ls1290

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong> We sell the blocks for $2250 plus core.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What does that include? Hone the block, overbore, blueprinting, decking, deburing, etc...

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ls1290:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong> We sell the blocks for $2250 plus core.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What does that include? Hone the block, overbore, blueprinting, decking, deburing, etc... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bore of your choice and finish honed. Decks are cleaned but not cut.

Mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong> We sell the blocks for $2250 plus core.

Mikey </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know, that's pretty good. Shop wisely and a 382 shortblock could be built for under 4k. Hmmm....

Sears

Are we talking regular sleeves or the integrated deck block?

Justin

JP98SS

Not all of these Darton sleeved blocks are the same. The ARE block does not have the fancy interlocking sleeves that have been posted up here before. They are limited to a 4.125 bore...and usually go with a 4.120 bore. The interlocking liners can go as large as 4.160. When comparing prices please keep this in mind.

Chicago Crew UnderBoss

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LS1NTIWIT:

I can't speak of the other major tuners but i do know that MTI gives a complete 2year/24K mile warranty on their resleeved Alum. block strokers, (but MTI has to do the install and tuning in order for the consumer to tap into that great warranty). Without MTI doing the install and tuning i believe then they would warranty just the replacement of engine parts that go bad for up to one year.

MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

Ed Potter @ LPE

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We warranty all of our engine packages for 2yr/24K miles when we build the engine, and do the install & tuning. If you do the block conversion on an out the door basis, there would be no warranty other than our guarantee that the block will be free from defects in matierials & workmanship when you recieve it.

The cost of these conversions is mainly due to the cost of the Darton sleeves. We do have to charge for our hourly rate, and figure that in to the cost of the conversion, which, for the amount of work that the sleeves require is pretty reasonable.If you supply your own block, in the beginning of the job, you will not be charged the 600.00 core charge. One more thing to consider, these sleeves require precision machining to be installed correctly and prevent leaks. These are not a straight sleeve, that you just bore out the block, and hammer it in.
We sell the sleeve conversion for $2750.00 and that includes align honing the mains. If you want it bored and finish honed to size, that would cost $250.00 more. Total for a Darton sleeved block ready to wash & assemble is $3000.00, still about half the price of the only other choice.

I would be leery of shops that haven't done this sleeve conversion, since it is your car they will be experimenting with.

Ed

Ed Potter @ LPE

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If there was such a problem, we would require you to send us the engine for dissassembly & inspection. If that inspection indicates a problem with the sleeve, or our machine work, then we would repair or replace as needed,and re-assemble your engine. If the inspection indicates the problem was caused by something else like gaskets, improper torque values,etc. , then we would contact you and see how you would like to proceed.

Feel free to give me a call if you have any other questions.

Ed

Vents

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holy crap guys..

get on the phone and simply call you're local machine shop before you drop 3k on a block. most places will sleeve and garantee a block for 125 a hole. shoot, give judson over @ S.A.M. a call and ask em what the sleeves in their stroker motors cost. i think you'll be shocked to find out they're 12 bucks a pop. no offense LPE, MTI and whoever else is doing this in shop, but if it's good enough to run in the 9's all motor, i think it's good enough for me.

Smoke_ur_5.0

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">holy crap guys..

get on the phone and simply call you're local machine shop before you drop 3k on a block. most places will sleeve and garantee a block for 125 a hole. shoot, give judson over @ S.A.M. a call and ask em what the sleeves in their stroker motors cost. i think you'll be shocked to find out they're 12 bucks a pop. no offense LPE, MTI and whoever else is doing this in shop, but if it's good enough to run in the 9's all motor, i think it's good enough for me </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jee Darton sleeves are $12 a piece! Tell me where and I'll buy 100 of em!

Your talking about a totally different sleeve and if you want to go the cheap route and try it..you'll find later down the road when you put all that work into your car to get it back together and running that...you get what you pay for.

TJF

I think a clear(er) explanation by the sponsors posting here as to what's involved labor wise in resleeving the LS1 block would help explain at least part of why the cost to resleeve is so high. I do agree with those that have posted in this thread that the cost of Darton sleeves themselves at around $1200.00 is overpriced. Why are they so expensive? What are the made of platinum? I used to run a Hemi Coronet on alky which required frequent rebuilds and I never paid more than about $1200.00 for sleeves and labor with a bore finished to spec. I never had a problem with sleeves cracking (except during assembly)or coolant/oil issues either. Smoke-ur-5.0 - Provided the overbore isn't hog wild what's so bad about using standard iron sleeves in the LS1?

Pro Stock John

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Ventswo, the Darton sleeves by themselves are costly. They cost more than SBC sleeves.

Is it supply and demand? I think that has something to do with it, and the technology is more cutting edge too.

Smoke_ur_5.0

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Smoke-ur-5.0 - Provided the overbore isn't hog wild what's so bad about using standard iron sleeves in the LS1? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Reliability in high HP applications (leakage and cranking)

Vents

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i'd say there's no need for synicisim however it's usually included im one of my typical responses.

what's you're definition of high? 1500-2000 hp? like i mentioned prior, the darton's are probably the best in the business but if other sleeves are good for repeated 9's (all motor), you wouldnt need dartons unless you plan on going faster. it's like the comparing billet titanium rods VS forged steel rods in a motor... they both get you down the quarter. BTW, how many el cheapo jobs have you seen personally blow or break from extended high HP use? moot point, how many SAM motors have you personally seen blow? if memory serves me correctly, M TEE I's re-sleeving program has been having issues with customers blocks for quite a while now using those darton sleeves, and have yet to hear a single thing negative about a SAM built blocks w/ their 12 dollar a shot liners.

"if you want to go the cheap route and try it..you'll find later down the road when you put all that work into your car to get it back together and running that...you get what you pay for"

Jud has been doing this w/ consistant results for quite a while now. see my point?