02T/A-WS6

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My head is spinning with all the cam choices. I didnt want to do this but as the title says i am LOST. First off i will start with my mods:
Pacesetter mid-lengths(need LTs I know, but im not goin too)
SLP cat-back LM1
4.10 gears
SLP lid, filter
SLP smooth bellows
85mm bbk intake and tb

After cam install in a year or so i plan on going with some heads...maybe something like PRC 5.3 2.5 heads. Keep that in mind as well.

I know they arent the best mods but its what im working with...ok
Car is not a DD and I put about 6-8k on her a year. One more thing to keep in mind along with the 4.10s. I usually run about 75mph at 2k rpms on the interstate.

I have made up my mind about 80 times already on which cam to purchase.
First I looked at single pattern cams such as the TR 224 which has been tried and true to make great power and awesome mid range tq. But it seems a lot of people that have this type of cam love the tq but they end up wanting another cam. Or when they get heads they end up wanting a bigger cam to put the heads to more use. So being that I dont want to do this twice I started lookin else where.

Then I read up on reverse split cams such as the TR 230/224. Once again its a great cam that makes good mid range power. And from my understanding a reverse split cam is best for someone who has limited mods on the intake side and good mods(such as LT, ORY, and cat-back) on the exhaust side. Which my intake set up isnt the greatest but my exhaust def. isnt. But that isnt here nor there when you look at the thread that gillbot started. He made good power with mid length headers as well with the TR 230/224. Thought i had my mind made up but i did some more diggin and the reverse split cams are not the way to go when you upgrade your heads. Once again dont want to do this twice.

So now obviously I have looked at the traditional split cams as well. They seem like a good way to go as well. Patrick G made good power and awesome mid range tq over two bigger cams with a 224/228 with like .637/.639 on a 110lsa and from my understand i would not have PtoV clearance issues because its not when you have high lift its when you have high duration cams that you run into PtoV issues. This route is the way i am leaning at the moment. Obviously this was a custom cam and not a normal traditional split.

So with a cam picked out what would be the way to go in terms of degree with it. Advance seems normal with single pattern or a traditional split with 1,2,4 degrees of advance. Which i am not sure but i would want 4 degree of advance to get more mid range power correct? But with a reverse split cam is seems that you want to 1 degree of retard to make better mid range power?

So to end my long saga I will say this...I want a nice choppy lope which i would go with a 110-112LSA correct? I run the car to 6K once in a while so i dont want some of the big *** cam that makes a ton of power but only after 5500rpms. But with my 4.10s in the M6 i would be able to have good drive-ability with a somewhat larger cam...ie in the 230s range. I plan on taking the car to the track but only a couple times just to see what she is worth. That being said is another reason I am lookin for awesome mid range and good high end and I dont need a cam thats gonna be a dyno queen and have high awesome numbers as apposed to a cam with higher average numbers. :bang :

DANOZ28

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i think you answered your own ? by saying you really dont want to run much past 6k rpms. the tr224 is popular on this board from what i've read. stick with a winner! do you want a car thats so radical that no one would buy it from you if you had to sell? just my 2 cents. ps dont forget better springs!

02T/A-WS6

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I dont want a radical car like i was saying about having a huge cam that makes high power but not high average numbers on a dyno. Then what would be the difference between a single pattern 224 and a single pattern 228? And as for spring i would go with 918s i guess if the the cam lift was under .600 and if it was over .600 lift i would most likely get either some dual springs or a the PAC beehive springs that are good too .650 lift. thanks for your options thats what im lookin for.

02T/A-WS6

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anybody else?

Tainted

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228R maybe? its a bit more than the TR224, but not much and has some awesome midrange

Brad Hutchcraft

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I honestly dont see whats wrong with your intake set up. Sure, there are more expensive set ups, but an LS6 intake, and the SLP lid are also safe, proven set ups. And this seems to be what you are looking for anyway.

Vengeance VRX4 cam on a 112 and run it straight up, SLP lid, LS6 intake, hardened pushrods, 918's, ls7 lifters, underdrive pulley, ported stock throttle body, longtube headers and y pipe w/ cutout. Forget about those shorty headers, and step up to a quality longtube header and Y pipe.

That set up will make you ALL KINDS of power in the mid range, and will be VERY streetable to boot. Its a traditional split but you will need this with those heads. Its not a huge split either, only a few degrees, but looks to be very balanced, and would match your mods nicely.
For god sakes lose those headers.
Only my opinion, but I think you should at least give them a call, great guys to deal with.

PS, with heads, that cam will wake your car up like using Jack Daniels for mouth wash.

LS1IMPULSE

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I think most people overthink the cam a little too much, its not one magic thing you do that makes power is the 500 little odds and ends, and while matching VE etc. is important it means much less on an otherwise stock engine, afterall, your purchasing a cam ground by a vendor specifically for an LS.

Any cam you pic will give you more HP, and you cant try to match a cam your getting now to heads your getting later, when your not even sure what heads you want

any ways, i say go with the 224 just because of this "I run the car to 6K once in a while "

Brad Hutchcraft

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^well said. This is why its reccomended you want a well defined plan.

Camaro01SS4life

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I would personally go with the F13 cam...This cam performs well and is right in range for what you are looking for...This cam works great for cam only, and also its a great performer with a set of heads on top of it...I think the specs are 230/232 .595/.585 112LSA...Dont quote me on the specs but they are close...Thanks...

Kev

LS1IMPULSE

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everycam can be a good DD cam though, including the Trex, drivabiltiy is all in tuning.

mgcook

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I say go F14 on a 112LSA. Can't beat Futral cams. They are dyno and track proven. It would seem to meet all of your needs too.

LS1IMPULSE

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Did you read his post? I mean, have the F14 and its a great cam, but how does it meet his needs? Swapping and F14 and "running the car to 6K once in a while" sounds like a wasted cam swap, its sounds like he would rarley even spend time in the powerband, and at 6K, the F14 still has another 950-1050 RPM's left till it runs out of steam.

99mongooSS

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get a cam speced.

mgcook

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I think once he gets a cam, he will want to rev it out to its full potential, even if it means going to 7k. I mean that 1k RPM is no more than a second difference.

If he only wants to rev to 6k, then I would just get a 224/244 112LSA. Plenty of torque with near stock driveability. But I think he was implying he runs the STOCK cam to 6k. So I'm pretty sure he would rev it out more if needed.

LS1IMPULSE

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Look throught the dyno comparison threads to help make you choice, hers one 224 i found:



300RWTQ starting at 2000RPM, and peaking at 353, and a the cam runs out of breath just shy of 6K RPM peaking at 360HP. Sounds like exaclty what you described.

Keep in mind this guy has a 98 (junk heads) stock intake, and tune. with and LS6 manifold, ported TB, and underdrive he should be near 380-385HP, add a set of good flowing heads and he would be well over 400.

02T/A-WS6

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yea i have been looking through the dyno section i have found a couple nice dyno graph for the range i am looking for ... the 224, 228r, and the F13...the F13 makes peak horse at about 6400 and then carries it out. All of them seem to make good low end torque. Also as i stated before i am running a 85mm Intake and throttle body. Thanks for that graph...and that torque curve stays at peak for a while!

Also when i do get heads in the future i will run the PRC 5.3 2.5s...thats kinda why im thinking maybe the 228r will do better with those heads as apposed to the 224. Seems like a lot of people like that cam but always want to upgrade.

99mongooSS

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weaksauce!!! i hate baby cams. my 2cent

02T/A-WS6

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what do you think would be a good cam to go with? i know you said get one speced but do you have a range?

99mongooSS

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I like the ms4 but you say you dont want something that big so im gonna say 228/232 112 lsa sounds like it would be good.

02T/A-WS6

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yea that seems like it would be a decent cam