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Old 05-26-2008, 07:56 PM
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well got done earlier today installing my etp 215 heads, 231/235,615/621,111 cam, fast 92/92, qtp lt's, jp single timing chain, melling oil pump, new lifters that were bathed in oil for hours. After double checking everything, i pulled the coil pack harness on both, and pulled the fuel pump fuse, turned it over a few times to circulate the oil. Put everything back, turned it over and it fired right up, oil pressure shot up to normal, i ran it up to 2k as per comp's instructions to get the lifters pumped up. Ran good for 30sec. with ungodful valvetrain noise then just died, waited 2 mins and fired right up again, ran for 30sec., still having valvetrain noise, and just died. waited 1 hr, tried it and it just backfires and the motor turns over slow like a weak battery but its not weak. a buddy told me that the lifters are not primed yet causing the slow turn over and backfire, he told me to pull the plugs and the coil pack harness and fuel pump fuse and crank it over to pump up the lifters. the car is throwing a code for the maf and tps sensor. thanks for any help.
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could you have changed the length of the pushrods when changing heads, in other words different height cyl heads??
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the shop where i bought the heads told me 7.4's were fine, ive heard from a few people that the engine will sound noisy for a the first few minutes until the lifters pump up.
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Recheck all your wire connections would be a good start also. Sensor connections and what not. Good Luck!!
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Once the engine starts, the lifters should pump up in a few seconds, not minutes. Check your pushrod length, rocker arm wipe pattern.
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Originally Posted by 07gsxr750
the shop where i bought the heads told me 7.4's were fine, ive heard from a few people that the engine will sound noisy for a the first few minutes until the lifters pump up.
Base circle of cam .... did the shop know what cam you were going with? Did they take that into account?
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what rockers r u using?
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could also be that you didnt torque the stock rockers all the way down and they backed off. makes a hell of a noise and it wont run for long
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Originally Posted by dab2pds
could also be that you didnt torque the stock rockers all the way down and they backed off. makes a hell of a noise and it wont run for long
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my thoughts exactly
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It's going to clack and smoke for the first few minutes. You just have to just grit your teeth and wait. Gradually it will quiet down and then you'll know everything is OK.
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I'm running 8.10" pushrods in my ETP215 headed LS1 (62cc) - as per recommendations. 7.40" is way too short IMO.

Good luck with it.

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im running the stock rockers, the pushrods are the 8.1, now i just cant get the motor to turn over, it turns just slowly, not a weak battery or anything, someone told me the lifters may be stauck and are not pumped up.
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Originally Posted by 07gsxr750
someone told me the lifters may be stuck and are not pumped up.

that someone is a moron and shouldnt work on your car.

pull the spark plugs out and the valvecovers off and turn the engine over by hand. see what happens. ETPs cannot use the stock rocker stands...did you use those?
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yeah i pulled them and double checked, they are 8.1". i believe the problem is with the lifters
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Keep us updated...
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well this evening pulled the valve covers off and pulled the spark plugs, turned the motor over and had very little compression and very little oil shooting through the rockers, i called up comp and they told me that when i purchased the pro magnum lifters the guy should have sold me some adjustable rockers as well, what is happening is there is no preload on the lifters and its leaving the valves hang open, i was so relieved to hear that, and it made perfect since after he explained to me, well the rockers are on the way and hopefully i can hear my new and improved baby run, thanks everyone, will keep updated.
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sounds to me like u bent your valves unfortunately...i only mention this because everything you experienced...and i mean every single thing you mentioned, down to to the slow turning of the engine without a dead battery...well it happened to me. notice i have an ls6 now
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all i can say is good luck dude!




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