500 hp on "Big Mutha Thumpr"
07-21-2009, 07:05 PM
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500 hp on "Big ***** Thumpr" i just picked up the engine n tranny last night, but as many others b4 me it seems to be a lq4. i pulled the spark plug to check if the piston top was dished or flat but as i ran a screw driver over the top it kinda felt dished but on another board somebody had posted some pics of their flat lq9 pistons vs the dished lq4's and the ones look alot more like their flat lq9 pistons it "supposely" came out out of a 06 silverado ss truck, so it looks like im going to have to do a little bit more research to find out exaclty if i have a lq9 or lq4. I picked both tranny and engine up for $1500 if its not a lq9 i can always turn around and sell it. Iwill post pics later tonight.
i originally planned on going with a bb 454 that i intended on stroking to a 496, the reason for this was 1. i wanted a loud abnoxious chopping idle and 2 because i wanted the hit the magical 500hp mark.
As i did some research and asked a few questions i was assured by a few ppl that i could achieve my goals with a fuel injected motor, so since i found this deal i pulled the trigger. But now I am left with a few questions and hope that you guys can help me out figuring out the solution to my problem.
does any body know what it will take take to to get the
comp cam "Big ***** Thumpr' cam in there???? I know its a huge cam and there are better and easier ways to achieve my hp goal, but like most people in this world, id like to have my cake and eat it too. I definetly WANT to have a louuddddddddddd RUFFFFFFFF iddle but at the same time i would love to get on the gas peddle and know that i can hit 500 hp when i feel like it.
here are the cam specs
BIG *****’ THUMPR™ - Street/strip, needs 9.5:1 CR, 2800+ stall, intake, gears, & headers, very rough idle.
2600 to 6800
54-602-11
291THR9
291 311
235 249
.573 .558
109°
Is it feasable to reach 500 hp with this particular cam N/A?
would it be easier to just port out the stock 317 heads or to swap to the l92's to gain the extra horse power?
is it even possible to run this cam with the l92's???? any feed back would be greatly appreciated
(like i said i know they are other ways of doing it but i want the guaranteed sound and i would love to achieve the 500 hp call me hard headed)
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what you guys say is it possible?
i originally planned on going with a bb 454 that i intended on stroking to a 496, the reason for this was 1. i wanted a loud abnoxious chopping idle and 2 because i wanted the hit the magical 500hp mark.
As i did some research and asked a few questions i was assured by a few ppl that i could achieve my goals with a fuel injected motor, so since i found this deal i pulled the trigger. But now I am left with a few questions and hope that you guys can help me out figuring out the solution to my problem.
does any body know what it will take take to to get the
comp cam "Big ***** Thumpr' cam in there???? I know its a huge cam and there are better and easier ways to achieve my hp goal, but like most people in this world, id like to have my cake and eat it too. I definetly WANT to have a louuddddddddddd RUFFFFFFFF iddle but at the same time i would love to get on the gas peddle and know that i can hit 500 hp when i feel like it.
here are the cam specs
BIG *****’ THUMPR™ - Street/strip, needs 9.5:1 CR, 2800+ stall, intake, gears, & headers, very rough idle.
2600 to 6800
54-602-11
291THR9
291 311
235 249
.573 .558
109°
Is it feasable to reach 500 hp with this particular cam N/A?
would it be easier to just port out the stock 317 heads or to swap to the l92's to gain the extra horse power?
is it even possible to run this cam with the l92's???? any feed back would be greatly appreciated
(like i said i know they are other ways of doing it but i want the guaranteed sound and i would love to achieve the 500 hp call me hard headed)
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what you guys say is it possible?
07-22-2009, 03:28 AM
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I understand that they might be other cams out there that can help me achieve my goals better and easier but I'm not going to get the abnoxios roar I'm looking for. the challenge is getting as mutch hp as possible with this cam as possible.
07-22-2009, 05:15 PM
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you can get more roar out of it with other cams. a xer287hr comp cam would give ya the noise and power your looking for. as far as the l92 heads go, u might want a different cam. i like the 317 heads, but if you get your hands on some 243s (almost the same as 317s, but have a 64 cc chamber, and the chamber is shaped different) it will make some good power.
07-23-2009, 03:02 AM
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you can get more roar out of it with other cams. a xer287hr comp cam would give ya the noise and power your looking for. as far as the l92 heads go, u might want a different cam. i like the 317 heads, but if you get your hands on some 243s (almost the same as 317s, but have a 64 cc chamber, and the chamber is shaped different) it will make some good power.
07-23-2009, 03:46 AM
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How do you exactly know this cam? Sounds like you have never used it before, am I right? How about you listen to someone who has obvioulsy done this before? These engines aren't anything like an Sb or BB. If your looking to hit 500 you should have just bought a bare block and stroker crank, rods, pistons instead of worrying about what stock pistons you have. I'm sorry but you need to do a little more research before wasting your money.
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07-23-2009, 10:14 AM
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sounds to me like he wants it to idle off its ***.
OP, youre gonna want a bump im compression if you want to have a hope of hitting 500. a custom grind cam is like $20 more, and it will suite your exact setup. plus, any cam that is in a car aimed at 500hp will idle like crazy. l92's are apparently a pretty tricky head to get to make real big power. theres a certain few people here that have found they like a certain degree split and a certain amount of overlap. look around, because they will make power if setup right.
OP, youre gonna want a bump im compression if you want to have a hope of hitting 500. a custom grind cam is like $20 more, and it will suite your exact setup. plus, any cam that is in a car aimed at 500hp will idle like crazy. l92's are apparently a pretty tricky head to get to make real big power. theres a certain few people here that have found they like a certain degree split and a certain amount of overlap. look around, because they will make power if setup right.
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i am not sure the Thumpr cams are compatible with the LS series engines (that includes the LQ4 and LQ9).
either way, listen to me. I understand you want the nastiest idle you can get. That is not a quality that the thumpr cams have exclusively to themselves. The "thump" and "lope" of a cam is an effect of its design. You should hear my cam. lol. I would challenge anyone to find a lopier and thumpier cam, good luck.
Like said, before you go buying a cam (that may not even fit and work in your engine) specifically for the sound with the hope that it still makes good power, take my advice. Get your setup figured out. Find out what motor you have, what your compression ratio is, etc. Find out what Heads you have. Let us know. Are you going to stroke it for sure? If you are, then you need to get your heads based on the size of the motor (stock 364CI or stroked 402CI). Once you have your heads, you then decide on your intake manifold. In your case, i would imagine either a Fast or the new Edelbrock Pro-Flow XT if it fits. If the Edelbrock doesnt fit, and you dont want to spend the coin on a fast (and cant find a used one), get a ported ls6 intake. Now that you have that, you buy the cam that fits your goals (where you want the power in the RPM range), and is designed with your heads and intake manifold in mind.
Listen to me.... DONT BUY A THUMPR CAM!!!!
Which do you think fits better.... A one size fits all rent a tux, or a designer tuxedo that is custom fitted, measured, cut, taloired, and made to fit your body perfectly??
Thats essentially what the comparison is between the Thumpr (or any off the shelf cam) as compared to custom designing you a cam??
PM me if you would like some more help and or advice. I will steer you right.
either way, listen to me. I understand you want the nastiest idle you can get. That is not a quality that the thumpr cams have exclusively to themselves. The "thump" and "lope" of a cam is an effect of its design. You should hear my cam. lol. I would challenge anyone to find a lopier and thumpier cam, good luck.
Like said, before you go buying a cam (that may not even fit and work in your engine) specifically for the sound with the hope that it still makes good power, take my advice. Get your setup figured out. Find out what motor you have, what your compression ratio is, etc. Find out what Heads you have. Let us know. Are you going to stroke it for sure? If you are, then you need to get your heads based on the size of the motor (stock 364CI or stroked 402CI). Once you have your heads, you then decide on your intake manifold. In your case, i would imagine either a Fast or the new Edelbrock Pro-Flow XT if it fits. If the Edelbrock doesnt fit, and you dont want to spend the coin on a fast (and cant find a used one), get a ported ls6 intake. Now that you have that, you buy the cam that fits your goals (where you want the power in the RPM range), and is designed with your heads and intake manifold in mind.
Listen to me.... DONT BUY A THUMPR CAM!!!!
Which do you think fits better.... A one size fits all rent a tux, or a designer tuxedo that is custom fitted, measured, cut, taloired, and made to fit your body perfectly??
Thats essentially what the comparison is between the Thumpr (or any off the shelf cam) as compared to custom designing you a cam??
PM me if you would like some more help and or advice. I will steer you right.
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07-24-2009, 05:21 PM
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i am not sure the Thumpr cams are compatible with the LS series engines (that includes the LQ4 and LQ9).
either way, listen to me. I understand you want the nastiest idle you can get. That is not a quality that the thumpr cams have exclusively to themselves. The "thump" and "lope" of a cam is an effect of its design. You should hear my cam. lol. I would challenge anyone to find a lopier and thumpier cam, good luck.
Like said, before you go buying a cam (that may not even fit and work in your engine) specifically for the sound with the hope that it still makes good power, take my advice. Get your setup figured out. Find out what motor you have, what your compression ratio is, etc. Find out what Heads you have. Let us know. Are you going to stroke it for sure? If you are, then you need to get your heads based on the size of the motor (stock 364CI or stroked 402CI). Once you have your heads, you then decide on your intake manifold. In your case, i would imagine either a Fast or the new Edelbrock Pro-Flow XT if it fits. If the Edelbrock doesnt fit, and you dont want to spend the coin on a fast (and cant find a used one), get a ported ls6 intake. Now that you have that, you buy the cam that fits your goals (where you want the power in the RPM range), and is designed with your heads and intake manifold in mind.
Listen to me.... DONT BUY A THUMPR CAM!!!!
Which do you think fits better.... A one size fits all rent a tux, or a designer tuxedo that is custom fitted, measured, cut, taloired, and made to fit your body perfectly??
Thats essentially what the comparison is between the Thumpr (or any off the shelf cam) as compared to custom designing you a cam??
PM me if you would like some more help and or advice. I will steer you right.
either way, listen to me. I understand you want the nastiest idle you can get. That is not a quality that the thumpr cams have exclusively to themselves. The "thump" and "lope" of a cam is an effect of its design. You should hear my cam. lol. I would challenge anyone to find a lopier and thumpier cam, good luck.
Like said, before you go buying a cam (that may not even fit and work in your engine) specifically for the sound with the hope that it still makes good power, take my advice. Get your setup figured out. Find out what motor you have, what your compression ratio is, etc. Find out what Heads you have. Let us know. Are you going to stroke it for sure? If you are, then you need to get your heads based on the size of the motor (stock 364CI or stroked 402CI). Once you have your heads, you then decide on your intake manifold. In your case, i would imagine either a Fast or the new Edelbrock Pro-Flow XT if it fits. If the Edelbrock doesnt fit, and you dont want to spend the coin on a fast (and cant find a used one), get a ported ls6 intake. Now that you have that, you buy the cam that fits your goals (where you want the power in the RPM range), and is designed with your heads and intake manifold in mind.
Listen to me.... DONT BUY A THUMPR CAM!!!!
Which do you think fits better.... A one size fits all rent a tux, or a designer tuxedo that is custom fitted, measured, cut, taloired, and made to fit your body perfectly??
Thats essentially what the comparison is between the Thumpr (or any off the shelf cam) as compared to custom designing you a cam??
PM me if you would like some more help and or advice. I will steer you right.
got the point
<<<< no thumpr cam for me
but i swear if i go an alternate route and im not happy, im hunting all of you guys down!!! thanks for the time you put into writting that detailed post, i greatly appreciated and im just starting with this so i believe its for me to listen to somebody that knows alot more then i do.
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07-24-2009, 05:32 PM
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you can get more roar out of it with other cams. a xer287hr comp cam would give ya the noise and power your looking for. as far as the l92 heads go, u might want a different cam. i like the 317 heads, but if you get your hands on some 243s (almost the same as 317s, but have a 64 cc chamber, and the chamber is shaped different) it will make some good power.
holy ****!! i just you tube that cam, youre right it does sound SEXXXYYYYYYY!!!
thats for the suggestion !!!!!
07-24-2009, 11:16 PM
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Heres what I've learned with my recent cam purchase...For the SAME price, you can get a custom ground BILLET cam (not all are, alot of custom cams are regrinds) made to your motor. Don't get ANYTHING but a custom speced cam, and I wouldn't go to a place like Futral or Thunder. There good, but not the best. Both are within 10 minutes from me. Also 10 minutes from me is Cam Motion. Arguably the best in the country, according to alot of magazines that feature them. I went and got my cam speced out for my motor, which is:
383 LS1
Wiesco custom dish pistons
Patriot Stage 3 LS6 heads
Scat rods
Eagle crank
LS6 intake
LS7 lifters
10.7:1
yada yada
I told them I want a cam that sounds NASTY and idles hard as a **** but I still need to drive it every day. Kipp reassured me that its possible to hit at least 500 at the wheels if not more, and still drive it everyday with the sound I want. He came back with a cam speced that sounded perfect for it.
234/236
.595/.595
110+4 LSA
I haven't finished the motor yet, but I managed to come across a car almost identical and he hit over 550 at the wheels. Only small differences like a couple thousanths more lift and such. Anyway, just get a custom one for sure. Best is to go to Cam Motion.
383 LS1
Wiesco custom dish pistons
Patriot Stage 3 LS6 heads
Scat rods
Eagle crank
LS6 intake
LS7 lifters
10.7:1
yada yada
I told them I want a cam that sounds NASTY and idles hard as a **** but I still need to drive it every day. Kipp reassured me that its possible to hit at least 500 at the wheels if not more, and still drive it everyday with the sound I want. He came back with a cam speced that sounded perfect for it.
234/236
.595/.595
110+4 LSA
I haven't finished the motor yet, but I managed to come across a car almost identical and he hit over 550 at the wheels. Only small differences like a couple thousanths more lift and such. Anyway, just get a custom one for sure. Best is to go to Cam Motion.
07-27-2009, 12:16 PM
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you can listen to it right on compcams website also. if you do find a set of 243s and do minor porting im almost postive you will hit your hp mark. talk to frost on here (steve williams) great tuner.
07-27-2009, 12:32 PM
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i read somewhere that the 317's flow better then the 243???? is this false?
07-27-2009, 12:34 PM
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Heres what I've learned with my recent cam purchase...For the SAME price, you can get a custom ground BILLET cam (not all are, alot of custom cams are regrinds) made to your motor. Don't get ANYTHING but a custom speced cam, and I wouldn't go to a place like Futral or Thunder. There good, but not the best. Both are within 10 minutes from me. Also 10 minutes from me is Cam Motion. Arguably the best in the country, according to alot of magazines that feature them. I went and got my cam speced out for my motor, which is:
383 LS1
Wiesco custom dish pistons
Patriot Stage 3 LS6 heads
Scat rods
Eagle crank
LS6 intake
LS7 lifters
10.7:1
yada yada
I told them I want a cam that sounds NASTY and idles hard as a **** but I still need to drive it every day. Kipp reassured me that its possible to hit at least 500 at the wheels if not more, and still drive it everyday with the sound I want. He came back with a cam speced that sounded perfect for it.
234/236
.595/.595
110+4 LSA
I haven't finished the motor yet, but I managed to come across a car almost identical and he hit over 550 at the wheels. Only small differences like a couple thousanths more lift and such. Anyway, just get a custom one for sure. Best is to go to Cam Motion.
383 LS1
Wiesco custom dish pistons
Patriot Stage 3 LS6 heads
Scat rods
Eagle crank
LS6 intake
LS7 lifters
10.7:1
yada yada
I told them I want a cam that sounds NASTY and idles hard as a **** but I still need to drive it every day. Kipp reassured me that its possible to hit at least 500 at the wheels if not more, and still drive it everyday with the sound I want. He came back with a cam speced that sounded perfect for it.
234/236
.595/.595
110+4 LSA
I haven't finished the motor yet, but I managed to come across a car almost identical and he hit over 550 at the wheels. Only small differences like a couple thousanths more lift and such. Anyway, just get a custom one for sure. Best is to go to Cam Motion.
where are you at right now in regards to $$$$$ spent so far? & how do you feel in regards to porting the 317's vs l92's for power gain?
07-27-2009, 12:51 PM
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I bought my car off eBay with no tranny or hood, with a STS turbo and the stock motor, but it also came with the motor I listed and a bunch of other stuff. The motor was actually built for the STS turbo with 25lbs of boost and about 1000hp. He was gonna run the LS6 heads until he could spend the dough on AFRs, and thats why the compression is higher. Anyway, I added it all up, and with what he spent, and what I spent on the lifters, cam, pushrods, valley cover, gaskets, etc, theres about 10k in the motor, about 1k of that I spent. He had about 9 in it, and I only paid 9200 for the car, with the turbo, 12 bolt, etc, including the motor and stuff. I don't have the option of L92's, so I haven't really done to much research on them, but i'd probably go with the 317's or 243's.
