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Old 04-21-2011, 03:54 PM
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Default Relucter Wheel Hitting Piston #8 Pin Boss!!

Did a tear down of my engine last week and found some interesting things. Not too happy about alot of it but at least i know now why some issues were happening. One huge problem was the oil control ring/scraper ring had 120-150 thousands clearance. All i can say is WOW, how could have this been overlooked!?? Next we just found today that the relucter wheel was hitting piston #8 pin boss and had pretty much clearanced itself if you know what i mean!! So my question is wouldn't the piston company(Wiseco) know about this and have these pistons clearanced already?

Now i know the builder should have caught this but that's pretty much lookin' up a dead horses *** now......

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Correct length rods?
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Yep, 6.125 rods and 4.125 stroke 441. The piston MFG should have had all that info when the pistons were ordered, not?
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That is p---s poor that is for sure. I have built quite a few ls engines and no excuse for the piston hitting reluctor unless it was rocking in the bore a lot or was the wrong piston. Good builders check out everything and take their time. If it gets routine or they get in a hurry problems will always arise. I am limiting my stroke on my 440 build to 4 inches for that reason and rpm capability. How much do your pistons come out of sleeve at bottom of stroke?
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I had very little piston rock because of the dry sleeved Darton liners that i have in my LS7 block,which i believe are at 5.8 in length......
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I was hoping some reputable engine builders would chime in on this post but figure they won't for fear of stepping on toes
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Wow . . . Were all 8 ring sets excessively gapped like that ?

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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
Wow . . . Were all 8 ring sets excessively gapped like that ?

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Yep, just like he never even checked them and just assumed they were right. Thing drank oil like a mf....
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Originally Posted by ramairws6
Yep, just like he never even checked them and just assumed they were right. Thing drank oil like a mf....
Unbelievable, unforgivable that a professional engine builder would do that !

Hope you get everything taken care of, ASAP . . .

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If they are familiar with building LS strokers they should have known to clearance the #8 piston for the reluctor. Pretty standard practice. You should probably check and make sure the reluctor is still clocked right before you put it back together if it's not ruined. As far as the oil rail sounds like they may have just put the wrong bore size ring on all together?
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Hmm . . .

Can you still read the Piston model number on the top of the piston ?

EXAMPLE: https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...ld-ls1-038.jpg

I'm thinking that someone might have pulled the wrong set off the shelf . . . Same thing could have happened for the rings, too.

I think your engine builder should take responsibility for what happened and "do the right thing" . . . He should have seen ALL of those problems at the time !

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Oh ya, everything was well documented...
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Originally Posted by Jon@HKE
If they are familiar with building LS strokers they should have known to clearance the #8 piston for the reluctor. Pretty standard practice. You should probably check and make sure the reluctor is still clocked right before you put it back together if it's not ruined. As far as the oil rail sounds like they may have just put the wrong bore size ring on all together?
Yes, my new builder is checking the relucter as i type this. As far as the rings we believe the only thing that could have happened is he got the wrong ones from Wiseco and just installed them and never checked them!??
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Originally Posted by ramairws6
Yes, my new builder is checking the relucter as i type this. As far as the rings we believe the only thing that could have happened is he got the wrong ones from Wiseco and just installed them and never checked them!??
I sincerely hope that everything gets taken care of and you can put this mess behind you . . . GOOD LUCK !

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I would have your engine builder discuss this problem with Wiseco. ie. compare part numbers and things of that nature. (assuming your builder still have the invoices from them) Trust me I know it sucks, but I would recommend finding the problem before making accusations against the manufacture. Just my two penny's, I hope you get to the bottom of this!
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Originally Posted by Callies Performance
I would have your engine builder discuss this problem with Wiseco. ie. compare part numbers and things of that nature. (assuming your builder still have the invoices from them) Trust me I know it sucks, but I would recommend finding the problem before making accusations against the manufacture. Just my two penny's, I hope you get to the bottom of this!
I do believe it was the builder and not the MFG. that was at fault here....
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Originally Posted by ramairws6
I do believe it was the builder and not the MFG. that was at fault here....
At the very least, the builder SHOULD have seen those problems during assembly and the motor would NEVER have been started or damaged !

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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
At the very least, the builder SHOULD have seen those problems during assembly and the motor would NEVER have been started or damaged !

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I just can't figure out how that engine could have been assembled without the thing binding up while installing the rods and pistons and turning the crank over!??
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Originally Posted by ramairws6
I just can't figure out how that engine could have been assembled without the thing binding up while installing the rods and pistons and turning the crank over!??

Had the exact same thing happen to me tonight...408 stroker,I was spinning the lower assembly over and it locked up a bit..Luckily I was spinning it slow. Turns out #8 was hitting reluctor wheel. Upon closer inspection (Diamond Pistons) 1 of the pistons was clearenced for the reluctor wheel. Switched pistons, problem solved.
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p.s where at in hicksville mn are you. Are we gonna se you at brainerd at all this year? Who's building the motor?


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