Questions About Water Methanol Alcohol Injection - Post Them Here
02-10-2008, 02:39 PM
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Questions About Water Methanol Alcohol Injection - Post Them Here Alcohol Injection Systems, LLC would like to personally address and answer any questions members may have about the use and effects of water alcohol methanol injection with forced induction applications as well as naturally aspirated and nitrous applications.
Let us know what your questions are so we can help better inform everyone about water methanol injection.
Have a question and want to speak to someone directly about water alcohol/methanol injection. Give us a call directly at 1.801.447.2559 or email us directly at info@alcoholinjectionsystems.com
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Let us know what your questions are so we can help better inform everyone about water methanol injection.
Have a question and want to speak to someone directly about water alcohol/methanol injection. Give us a call directly at 1.801.447.2559 or email us directly at info@alcoholinjectionsystems.com
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how does the setupo work with NA cars? What is the flow rate based on, throtlle position?
Is the same system used for NA as well as FI, so that the system can be retained if u go FI at a later date?
How much does it cost?
Is the same system used for NA as well as FI, so that the system can be retained if u go FI at a later date?
How much does it cost?
02-10-2008, 05:12 PM
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How is the system triggered on a N/A application?
What tuning changes are required to optimize for a AI system?
How long does the 1.5 gallon tank last on a N/A application?
How does the concentration of alcohol to water change the tuning requirement?
What is the recommended concentration for a N/A application?
What type of alcohol is used to mix with water? Is it readily available?
Where do the nozzles(s) mount? How many nozzles are required?
What is datalogging functionality provided by the system?
Does the system have an external 0-5 volt datalogging output to feed another system?
How flexible are the liquid transfer lines?
I'm looking for as much information on these systems as possible. Thanks and sorry for all the questions.
FYI, the mailing list link on your website does not work.
What tuning changes are required to optimize for a AI system?
How long does the 1.5 gallon tank last on a N/A application?
How does the concentration of alcohol to water change the tuning requirement?
What is the recommended concentration for a N/A application?
What type of alcohol is used to mix with water? Is it readily available?
Where do the nozzles(s) mount? How many nozzles are required?
What is datalogging functionality provided by the system?
Does the system have an external 0-5 volt datalogging output to feed another system?
How flexible are the liquid transfer lines?
I'm looking for as much information on these systems as possible. Thanks and sorry for all the questions.
FYI, the mailing list link on your website does not work.
02-10-2008, 05:51 PM
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If you ever decide on adding a supercharger you could continue to use this controller and either use it in MAF mode or flip the switch back over to use a mechanical boost signal. This is what makes our controller very versatile. One controller can be used on anything from turbo diesel applications using a EGT signal, to forced induction and naturally aspirated applications using either a mechanical boost signal or any 0-5 volt sensor on the engine like mass air meter, tps sensor, MAP, etc.
02-10-2008, 06:24 PM
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How is the system triggered on a N/A application?
On NA applications we will use a 0-5 volt mass airflow meter output signal into the controller. You may also use a throttle positions sensor.
What tuning changes are required to optimize for a AI system?
When using a water alcohol injection system, users may use anything from pure water to pure methanol and blends in between. When using pure water air fuel ration is essentially unaffected. On the opposite hand, when using a pure methanol shot, depending on how much is being sprayed, air fuel will richen up between 1-2+ full points. Thereby, requiring the ECU to be retuned to compensate for the additional fuel.
For example, we have a customer in Colorado who has a NA application in which he uses our Stage 2 progressive system which allows him to run lower grade 87 octane with his high compression 500+ horsepower carbureted engine. By running a 70/30 percent mix of water and methanol he is able to make 87 octane gas perform like 100 octane fuel. He uses a little methanol to bring in some additional fuel on the top end as well.
How long does the 1.5 gallon tank last on a N/A application?
Typically our NA users, depending on how they have it set and how much driving, they will generally get 3-4 weeks of use out of one container.
How does the concentration of alcohol to water change the tuning requirement?
As you add more methanol to the mix, air fuel will drop and richen up more requiring more fuel to be trimmed out through the ECU.
What is the recommended concentration for a N/A application?
It really depends on the application, whether it's EFi or carbureted. If carbureted we will generally not run more then 20% methanol, the rest water. With EFI applications, it depends on whether or not the customer is going to have it retuned. If the customer wants to initially install the system and does not have the opportunity to retune the ECU we will use primarily pure water or very little methanol to the mix. If the customer is going to have the ECU retuned for the methanol, we suggest 50/50 for those who do not want to worry about the fluid being flammable, while pure methanol get us our best results.
What type of alcohol is used to mix with water? Is it readily available?
Methanol.
Where do the nozzles(s) mount? How many nozzles are required?
We would simply place one nozzle in front of the throttle body or use two nozzles in a carburetor plate for carbureted applications.
What is datalogging functionality provided by the system?
The controller will record what ever input signal is being ran into the controller. It will also record the duty cycle of the pump revealing its performance after a run.
Does the system have an external 0-5 volt datalogging output to feed another system?
No.
How flexible are the liquid transfer lines?
The polyethylene lines have bend radius of about 3 inches. See our customer section on our website to see examples of the lines being ran. We also have stainless steel braided -4 hose kits available.
I'm looking for as much information on these systems as possible. Thanks and sorry for all the questions.
Hope this answers your questions. Let us know if you have any other questions.
FYI, the mailing list link on your website does not work.
I will have this looked at right away as it normally is working.
On NA applications we will use a 0-5 volt mass airflow meter output signal into the controller. You may also use a throttle positions sensor.
What tuning changes are required to optimize for a AI system?
When using a water alcohol injection system, users may use anything from pure water to pure methanol and blends in between. When using pure water air fuel ration is essentially unaffected. On the opposite hand, when using a pure methanol shot, depending on how much is being sprayed, air fuel will richen up between 1-2+ full points. Thereby, requiring the ECU to be retuned to compensate for the additional fuel.
For example, we have a customer in Colorado who has a NA application in which he uses our Stage 2 progressive system which allows him to run lower grade 87 octane with his high compression 500+ horsepower carbureted engine. By running a 70/30 percent mix of water and methanol he is able to make 87 octane gas perform like 100 octane fuel. He uses a little methanol to bring in some additional fuel on the top end as well.
How long does the 1.5 gallon tank last on a N/A application?
Typically our NA users, depending on how they have it set and how much driving, they will generally get 3-4 weeks of use out of one container.
How does the concentration of alcohol to water change the tuning requirement?
As you add more methanol to the mix, air fuel will drop and richen up more requiring more fuel to be trimmed out through the ECU.
What is the recommended concentration for a N/A application?
It really depends on the application, whether it's EFi or carbureted. If carbureted we will generally not run more then 20% methanol, the rest water. With EFI applications, it depends on whether or not the customer is going to have it retuned. If the customer wants to initially install the system and does not have the opportunity to retune the ECU we will use primarily pure water or very little methanol to the mix. If the customer is going to have the ECU retuned for the methanol, we suggest 50/50 for those who do not want to worry about the fluid being flammable, while pure methanol get us our best results.
What type of alcohol is used to mix with water? Is it readily available?
Methanol.
Where do the nozzles(s) mount? How many nozzles are required?
We would simply place one nozzle in front of the throttle body or use two nozzles in a carburetor plate for carbureted applications.
What is datalogging functionality provided by the system?
The controller will record what ever input signal is being ran into the controller. It will also record the duty cycle of the pump revealing its performance after a run.
Does the system have an external 0-5 volt datalogging output to feed another system?
No.
How flexible are the liquid transfer lines?
The polyethylene lines have bend radius of about 3 inches. See our customer section on our website to see examples of the lines being ran. We also have stainless steel braided -4 hose kits available.
I'm looking for as much information on these systems as possible. Thanks and sorry for all the questions.
Hope this answers your questions. Let us know if you have any other questions.
FYI, the mailing list link on your website does not work.
I will have this looked at right away as it normally is working.
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If your looking for a great deal on a water methanol injection systems be sure to check out our group purchase listed here on the forum.
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02-28-2008, 01:14 PM
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ORDERS ARE SHIPPING!!!
Were about ready to wrap up this GP tomorrow. Before ending this GP we would like everyone to get a chance to hear about it as the discounts being offered are quite substantial for members involved. Because we have listed this GP on other forums we have already meet our required number of 6 orders on other forums. Even though we have only received 3 orders from "LS1Tech" we want to include these members orders into the GP therefor we are going to combine all the forum efforts and begin processing and shipping these orders.
One common problem we run into is members finding the GP a week or month later and still wanting us to offer them the same price. Unfortunately, we will not be able to offer these same prices after the group purchase has ended. Therefor, we want everyone to get the opportunity hear about it and to join in now while the group purchase discounts still apply.
Let us know if you have any questions or if you need help choosing the right system for your application.
Were about ready to wrap up this GP tomorrow. Before ending this GP we would like everyone to get a chance to hear about it as the discounts being offered are quite substantial for members involved. Because we have listed this GP on other forums we have already meet our required number of 6 orders on other forums. Even though we have only received 3 orders from "LS1Tech" we want to include these members orders into the GP therefor we are going to combine all the forum efforts and begin processing and shipping these orders.
One common problem we run into is members finding the GP a week or month later and still wanting us to offer them the same price. Unfortunately, we will not be able to offer these same prices after the group purchase has ended. Therefor, we want everyone to get the opportunity hear about it and to join in now while the group purchase discounts still apply.
Let us know if you have any questions or if you need help choosing the right system for your application.
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Have questions about using water methanol injection with your forced induction, NA or nitrous oxide application. Post your questions here or contact us directly at 1.801.447.2559 if you would like to speak with a specialist.
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Our special is wrapping up at the end of this month. If you've wanted a fender mount water methanol injection system this is a great opportunity to get in on one of our under the hood fender/firewall mount systems.
Have questions or need help, give us a call directly or post your questions here.
Have questions or need help, give us a call directly or post your questions here.
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Even though the methanol is now warmer due to being stored under of the car. When injected into a hot air stream the methanol will still make a phase change. During this phase change, evaporation, the methanol is taking on large amounts of energy "heat" in this case.
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I may be running a 4bbl throttle body. Where would i locate the nozzle? I may also be using the hogans single manifold with raised top so can i locate the nozzle in the plenum may be just under the throttle body?
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Let me know if you have any other questions or how i can help.
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I have a L98(LS2 with L92 heads), Our local fuel is not up to scratch and I have timing pulled out because of it. The motor is stock 10.5:1 comp with long tubes, dual system intake and mafless tune and am hoping for more timing at the track. I was looking towards race gas but its $10 a litre minimum.
1. What is the increase in octane from a 50/50 water methanol injection.
2. I do know my motor makes more power with more timing and better fuel. So can I run more additional timing(my goal is 28-30deg) over the current 23.
3.Do I aim for 13.0:1 afr, my current afrs are 12.8:1 at WOT.
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Joel
1. What is the increase in octane from a 50/50 water methanol injection.
2. I do know my motor makes more power with more timing and better fuel. So can I run more additional timing(my goal is 28-30deg) over the current 23.
3.Do I aim for 13.0:1 afr, my current afrs are 12.8:1 at WOT.
Regards
Joel
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I have a L98(LS2 with L92 heads), Our local fuel is not up to scratch and I have timing pulled out because of it. The motor is stock 10.5:1 comp with long tubes, dual system intake and mafless tune and am hoping for more timing at the track. I was looking towards race gas but its $10 a litre minimum.
1. What is the increase in octane from a 50/50 water methanol injection.
2. I do know my motor makes more power with more timing and better fuel. So can I run more additional timing(my goal is 28-30deg) over the current 23.
3.Do I aim for 13.0:1 afr, my current afrs are 12.8:1 at WOT.
Regards
Joel
1. What is the increase in octane from a 50/50 water methanol injection.
2. I do know my motor makes more power with more timing and better fuel. So can I run more additional timing(my goal is 28-30deg) over the current 23.
3.Do I aim for 13.0:1 afr, my current afrs are 12.8:1 at WOT.
Regards
Joel
