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Old 08-25-2008, 08:49 PM
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Default Cloyes IRL Timing Chain

Looking for photo's or information on this timing chain.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Looking for photo's or information on this timing chain.
Google is your friend -> http://www.lingenfelter.com/store/9-3153al.html
Looks like this is the Cloyes with "Rain" chain. Basically a Premium Renold roller chain.

Look at page 3 of the Cloyes catalog ->

http://www.cloyes.com/pdf/Cloyes_2007_HP_Catalog.pdf


http://www.sdparts.com/product/CLO9-...RainChain.aspx

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Bink,

















GO BLUE

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Hey, if you need one, I just pulled it off my motor and went back to the double roller. I need the double roller cause were shooting for around 1100-1200rwtq.

Mine probably has 40 miles on it.

Its the LS2 style for 24T though. If that matters at all..
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Looking for photo's or information on this timing chain.

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BTW, Check out Comps...Its the EXACT same one. Even the part numbers are the same. Comp is ALOT cheaper.
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last I saw comp's LS2 double row set used a rolon chain
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Don't believe they ever made it for LS2 as Cloyes stopped making it a few years ago.

Bink,

Thanks for the links, saw those but was looking for a close-up to compare to the JWIS that Katech sells. The IRL chain is a shortened Oldsmobile Aurora chain that is hand assembled and blue printed.
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The cloyes chain is a single roller just like the Comp. Cloyes part # is 9-3153KT..The Comp version is 3153KT

This part number is for the single roller, hexadjust, 24T or 58T, timing set from either cloyes or comp.. Being that their the same part number tells me, its the same, but I guess it could be a freak similarity.

If your looking for the LS2 version, the part number is different its 9-3158KT or 3158KT (from comp)
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Don't believe they ever made it for LS2 as Cloyes stopped making it a few years ago.

Bink,

Thanks for the links, saw those but was looking for a close-up to compare to the JWIS that Katech sells. The IRL chain is a shortened Oldsmobile Aurora chain that is hand assembled and blue printed.
You're Welcome.
I have the cloyes/rain chain on my LS6. My new Katech engine has their C5R chain...is that the JWIS??
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Originally Posted by Haans249
Bink,

GO BLUE

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Hehhehe.
I root for BLUE unless it's against OSU. Go Big Ten!
Go BUCKS!!

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Originally Posted by Bink
You're Welcome.
I have the cloyes/rain chain on my LS6. My new Katech engine has their C5R chain...is that the JWIS??
joel
The Katech C5R chain is the JWIS G68V-2. A lot of people don't realize that IWIS Ketten (JWIS) make several chains of the correct pitch but of varying quality. The G68V-2 chain is one of their top chains and is used in the M5 10 cylinder that turns a lot of RPM's. If you search you will find a few cases of broken double JWIS chains on Rollmaster, not all JWIS are created equal. Katech has yet to fail the chain they sell in their test cell or on the track.

I happened across a new IRL setup and was thinking about picking it up but wanted to get some more information. The only photo's I could find were from someone in Austria with a Vette but they were kind of blurry. His plate measurements are within a couple of 1,000ths of the Katech chain so I may pass since I have a Katech chain in hand already.
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Originally Posted by Jeff@TotalPerformanceEng
The cloyes chain is a single roller just like the Comp. Cloyes part # is 9-3153KT..The Comp version is 3153KT

This part number is for the single roller, hexadjust, 24T or 58T, timing set from either cloyes or comp.. Being that their the same part number tells me, its the same, but I guess it could be a freak similarity.

If your looking for the LS2 version, the part number is different its 9-3158KT or 3158KT (from comp)
Cloyes makes those timing sets for Comp, who re-labels them just like the Crane timing set that is actually a re-labeled Rollmaster vernier set. Rollmaster was just bought by JP Performance so they may eventually merge products, time will tell. The IRL chain is Cloyes part number 9-3153AL and it isn't made any more. The chain was hand assembled, blueprinted and hand inspected. They are however preparing to introduce a new JWIS chain that I was told is as strong as the IRL chain, which is supposed to be out in 30 days. They are also introducing the 3153AT, which has a Torrington bearing. Even though the Comp 3153KT advertised it has a Torrington bearing, it actually does not. The 3153AT is manufactured, but the cam sprockets that have been machined to accept the bearing are hung up at their other plant.

Needless to say I have been doing some digging
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Originally Posted by vettenuts

Needless to say I have been doing some digging
Is the Cloyes Hexajust "Rain" chain a Renold or a JWIS chain??
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Originally Posted by Bink
Is the Cloyes Hexajust "Rain" chain a Renold or a JWIS chain??
It is a Renold chain. Link plates are fine blanked and not stamped. Parts are shot peened, blue printed and hand assembled. I just ordered one, should have it next week.
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Just an FYI, based off of the insignificance of the part you are inspecting in relation to the power you are making, I think it is safe to say, you have a SEVERE OCD..

If I send you an air sample of my tires, do you think you might be able to tell me the exact origin??I'm thinking the nitrogen content is slightly low..



Originally Posted by vettenuts
It is a Renold chain. Link plates are fine blanked and not stamped. Parts are shot peened, blue printed and hand assembled. I just ordered one, should have it next week.
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Originally Posted by Jeff@TotalPerformanceEng
Just an FYI, based off of the insignificance of the part you are inspecting in relation to the power you are making, I think it is safe to say, you have a SEVERE OCD..

If I send you an air sample of my tires, do you think you might be able to tell me the exact origin??I'm thinking the nitrogen content is slightly low..

...hehehe.

BUT, if you plan on doing track/road-course/HPDEs AND you run a manual transmission then the timing chain/set takes a major beating and durability is paramount.
Broken chain on downshift- KaBOOM......KaChing, KaChing.
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Since this has evolved into timing chain Mecca, is there a premium quality LS2 stock replacement chain?

Chainks,
Bruce
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Straight replacement, Katech if you don't want an LS2 chain from GM.
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Originally Posted by Jeff@TotalPerformanceEng
...you have a SEVERE OCD..
Phew, and I thought I was just ****
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there are medications available vette! lol what chain d JP use on there double roller


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