facesmelt

I was planning to go TSP Torquer V.2 or TSP 233/239 Cam

Edit: And just in case, i wanted to know about people opinions on a TSP MS3 Cam with the LS6 Intake, if that works out it would be perfect! I

I'm scared of choking them with an LS6 Intanke Manifold though, i wanted to know if it would be worth it to step down to a TSP 228R and have better breathing?

I am looking for higher horsepower, any suggestions will help. I'll even consider getting a FAST Intake Manifold, but would rather get a more optimal cam for the LS6.

Thanks ahead of time

Grimes

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You'll get more out of the fast with after market heads, but will gain with stock heads too. I wouldn't change your cam choice just because of that, however. There are more important things to consider when choosing a cam.

facesmelt

I just dont want the cams to not be performing at their fullest, I need the baseline Intake Manifold that will allow them to run well.

But thanks for the good advice, I won't stress too much over it.

By the way, if you couldn't tell, I am kinda on a budget...

RedLT4Mike

iTrader: (4)

Not limiting potential is an endless cycle only limited by $$Money$$

Hold on tight

teke184

iTrader: (5)

the head are more limiting than the intake.

basically...even with the biggest cam you listed....the ls6 will pretty much keep up (within a few hp) with the FAST untill you upgrade the heads.

now one of those cams with a good set of heads...and the LS6 starts to be the choke point.

454mag

iTrader: (17)

The fast90 nw90 combo was good for 2 tenths and 2 mph over the ls6 on my car with patriot stage1 243 heads and a 224-228 comp cam. Lot of money for 20 hp but made the diff btwn winning and losing.

facesmelt

Wow, thanks! That is actually vital info that I must have missed through my researching.

I never actually planned on going with heads, but recently I've been thinking of reconsidering. Now on to researching heads!

That actually gives me a good perspective, thanks a lot!

DaveX

There have been some pretty good debates about the LS6 vs the FAST. From what I have seen, the FAST only has marginal gains over the LS6 at best for a stock cube LS1 unless you have a really good set of heads and a max effort cam. Some actually lose power in the midrange. For my money the LS6 is a good option. If I had money to burn, of course I'd get a FAST (and I would have bought a nice set of ported AFR or TFS heads, and a forged 408 or larger).

SOMbitch

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Like your screen name. Reminds me of my college days

Honestly I wish I had just stuck with my LS6 instead and put that money toward something else. I don't think I got the 15 0r 20rwhp you always hear about. Maybe I will see it when I go more cubes. Dunno?

Buy the best heads you can afford cause you can always add better bolt ons easy later. Your setups is only as good as the potential of the heads.

Just my .02

facesmelt

Is that a fact? Or just some catchy phrase?

Because if it is fact, then I wish I realized that earlier! My plan all along had never included any Heads, I was gonna go BIG Cam and call it a day with any more internals.

You guys are actually influencing me towards going for some decent heads too, which would mean I would probably go for a FAST Intake.

Although, you were saying that you didn't see such extensive gains in comparison to the LS6 Intake, right "SOMbitch"?

That makes me wonder...

ZMONSTER!

iTrader: (9)

Heads will make more difference than nearly any other mod you buy. Hell you can have a great awesome unbeatable cam with a 105mm intake fast thats been ported 9 ways from sunday, but without a set of good heads you will never see the true performance potential of your setup.
Use the cash you were going to spend on FAST for a good set of PRC heads, cant beat them for a budget head.
My H/C combo in sig with an LS6 intake and a 9 inch rear.

teke184

iTrader: (5)

what you're feeling as far as choices is the big push/pull issue when it comes to building power on a budget.

here are some ways to look at it:

nasty cam, ls6 intake, stock heads = 415rwhp cheap but not easy to drive

moderate cam, ls6 intake, stock heads = 400rwhp same cost pretty easy to drive

spend $1200 for a FAST intake for either of those setups and you'll probably only see 10-15hp

spend $1500 for a set of budget heads ($1200 heads, gaskets, bolts, injectors) and you could see upwards of 30hp+ with either setup

spend $2500 on a GOOD set of heads (afr, tfs) and its possible to see nearly 50hp.


for the investment of the FAST plus a little, you could make 2x the power or more.

no my big dilema is whether to go for budget heads and make an additional 30hp, then add the FAST and make 15-20hp more (to take advantage of the heads).
for a similar cost to GOOD heads...it seems i could have the same power.

oh the choices

Gh0st

iTrader: (3)

I made a mistake.

I skimped on heads.

Heads are THE key component...along with a cam that matches your setup

Aaron91RS

iTrader: (8)

The absurd price is usually the deciding factor for everyone since it's a fact the fast is better abeit not much for the huge price difference.

I would have went with the ls6 but the fast was on sale cheap.

Between the 10% off ebay coupon this month and the live search cash back my brand new 92mm fast intake was $552 shipped.
Then you grab the new jantzer 92mm TB with live search cash back for $245.

So if you're on the fence due to price, now might be the best time to get the fast.

SSpdDmon

iTrader: (10)

above 326.7489906672 grams per second of airflow = LS6 FTL

lemons12

iTrader: (71)

there is no reason to go with a cam the size of the ms3 if you never plan on going with heads, you could do the same thing with a smaller cam.

if your doing heads, people have made some very nice numbers with ms3, 5.3 heads, and an ls6 intake..

i picked up 31rwhp over my ls1 intake with my 90/90... stock heads ms4 cam..

i would do ms3 5.3s and fast 90/90. you will be satisfied...

teke184

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"i picked up 31rwhp over my ls1 intake with my 90/90... stock heads ms4 cam.."

very nice gain.....but 15hp of that would have been found with just an LS6

not bashing you at all...just pointing out how BAD the ls1 is

jessesta

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The fast is almost nessasary if you want to be one of the 500hp h&c cars. It seems to be an amazing intake and so far noone seems to be matching their performance but at 900-1100(depending on where you get it) a 300 dollar ls6 seems to be a great value. There are a lot of bolt ons to get for 600-800 dollars to make up for the 15hp difference.
jmho.






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facesmelt

Actually, since I created this thread I have changed my mind on a lot of things.

It seems that, on my budget, a good path to go down would be LS6 with Budget Heads and my planned Cams.

I actually just wanna know if the LS6 Intake wouldn't be enough for my H/C setup, and my cams for now (since Heads are going to be wayyy in the future).

teke184

iTrader: (5)

you'll be fine with the ls6

YES you could pick up some power with the FAST....but not enough to worry about.

you'll be fine...but as alot of us are doing...keep your eye out for a good priced used FAST.
or see what becomes of the new Street Warrior