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How your valvetrain parts SHOULDN'T look!

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Old 11-05-2008, 10:51 PM
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Check this stuff out. I am working on a '96 WS6 for a guy. He brought it to me saying it ran but he thought the motor was blown and knocked. Well it made noise and had no power but it sounded like valvetrain noise more than anything. He assumed it needed rebuilt but having 110k on it I wanted to check it out before just pulling it out and rebuilding it.


I pulled the driver's side valve cover to find one rocker arm, nut, and stud just laying there, still all together but not screwed into the cylinder head. The rocker arm next to it was loose and had no pushrod under it. I took it off and the bottom of it was all broken. Once that was out of the way both pushrods were laying there and I was able to get them. Checked them out and they were not bent. I went to put one back in and the lifter was still there for it. When I went to put the other back in, there was no lifter there (or so it felt). So I took the intake manifold off and found this, exactly as you see it. I did not touch a thing before this pic


Here is a pic of the rocker arm and stud as it was laying in the cylinder head


Here is a pic of the broken rocker arm


He did say that before he bought the car 3 weeks ago the previous owner had blown a head gasket and both head gaskets were replaced by a shop. True story it appears. They however obviously messed up on setting the valve lash among other things and also did not put the steam tube back on. They just plugged the holes. I am going to talk to the owner and see what he wants to do now, we may just end up putting it back together the right way replacing the damaged parts if that is how he wants to go about it.
Old 11-05-2008, 11:00 PM
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WTF thats just crazy!
I would have thought nitrous and 7000 rpms! LOL!
Old 11-05-2008, 11:05 PM
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damn thats crazy!!! so the lifter stayed in the bore but shot out the plunger and spring? so much sludge its kinda hard to see. but still fucked up to say the least
Old 11-05-2008, 11:06 PM
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thats what happens when you throw an MS4 in an LT1 , force it to work, and dont know what you're doing
Old 11-05-2008, 11:25 PM
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This car is bone stock down to the muffler and the paper air filter.

I didn't notice this at first glance but cylinder #1 had some issues too.


I pulled the drivers side valve cover to find this


So she was only running on 6. No valve action on cylinder number 1 or 6.
Old 11-05-2008, 11:27 PM
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Did you have a chance to check the oil to see if it smelled like fuel?
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The car only has 10 minutes or so of run time on it since all this happened. He quit driving it and had it towed when he heard the noise. The oil is kind of grody though and there is some sludging. I would like to see him stick to the original plan and freshen the motor.
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that looks about normal to me!!! i think everyones car looks like this fergy!!!!!! bahahahahaha...this is your normal lt1 valvetrain duh!!! did you see my fuckup accident??haha
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Yeah man I did. That sucks. You'll get her back together
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Originally Posted by fergymoto
Yeah man I did. That sucks. You'll get her back together
ya it shouldnt be too long either...i have most of the parts laying around.. so hopefully beefore winter ill have it back together and realigned and put up ready for the final touches for next summer!!
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They really screwed that up. Hopefully the guy goes for a refresher so there isn't any other problems down the road from that happening.
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man that stuff is fubar ! Thats why I've never let anybody screw with my car !
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Yeah I would like to know who did the work.
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I would have some people in that Shop fired..

Another reason I do my own work..
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That **** is fucked hard. I dont get how people cant just do things right when its sooo ******* easy.

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Well, that kind of makes me want to do my 1.7RR install myself, since I don't really want to trust a shop to do it now. Only problem is, I wouldn't know what I was doing if I did it.
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dam my motor looks super clean compared to that. Not one bit of sludge on my motor and im proud to say it. Running royal purple in it now
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thats awful..what happened to the retainer that holds the plunger in the lifter? nasty is all that comes to mind..and not nasty in a good way lol
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I'm starting to feel lucky I only mangled one pushrod, that's just crazy right there. Yeah at that point I think I'd want it all gone through.
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Originally Posted by Revelation Z28
thats what happens when you throw an MS4 in an LT1 , force it to work, and dont know what you're doing
lol...that's nuts Fergy, bet it surprised the **** outta you.


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