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02 T/A 984
12-01-2008, 07:52 PM
want to toughen up my ten bolt how do i.....i would just buy a 12 bolt but the car is never raced or launched.....so i figure if i just toughen it up it will be ok

bene
12-01-2008, 07:56 PM
want to toughen up my ten bolt how do i.....i would just buy a 12 bolt but the car is never raced or launched.....so i figure if i just toughen it up it will be ok

Toughening up a 10 bolt is like putting a leather jacket on a turd. Its still a turd.

Really, learn the mistakes from these other guys here. Just save some money for a 12 bolt or 9".

LS1crazy01
12-01-2008, 08:03 PM
I agree its really a waste of money. But if your not going to the track or running sticky tires you can by a T/A Diff cover. I know plenty of sponsers sell them on here. Good luck!

supernaturalta
12-01-2008, 08:07 PM
want to toughen up my ten bolt how do i.....i would just buy a 12 bolt but the car is never raced or launched.....so i figure if i just toughen it up it will be ok

Are you running an A4 or M6?

If you're running an A4, it might survive awhile. However, by the time you tally up the money spent to toughen up the 10 bolt, you'd be pretty close to the amount needed to buy a 12 bolt/9"/S60.

If you're running an M6, don't waste your time with the 10 bolt.

Slvr00Bird
12-01-2008, 08:13 PM
Toughening up a 10 bolt is like putting a leather jacket on a turd. Its still a turd.

Really, learn the mistakes from these other guys here. Just save some money for a 12 bolt or 9".
Agreed..
I agree its really a waste of money. But if your not going to the track or running sticky tires you can by a T/A Diff cover. I know plenty of sponsers sell them on here. Good luck!
Disagree.. The T/A cover has been said to be for looks for the most, mainly by people that have had them.. they're weak and there's no polishing a turd, as previously stated.

Blackhawk777
12-01-2008, 08:20 PM
Werd, the 10 bolt will break no matter what you do. Just save up some money for a GOOD rear. If it's an auto, it'll live a little while, but will still let go in time, and possibly take out the transmission with it. Hell mine damn near did.

ROCNDAV
12-01-2008, 08:23 PM
I had a 383ci IROC with 400+ RWHP and I never had any issues with my 10 bolt (which I believe had a smaller ring gear than those from a 4th gen). I even had Goodyear GSC-S tires (shaved/soft compound).

I never took it to a track, and it was an automatic, but you should be ok If this is your daily driver and you don't have the money to spend. If you can do the work yourself, then get a TA Performance cover, with the bearing support stud kit/option.

I've also heard about people completing the welds where the axles tubes are welded to the differential housing.

It really all comes down to what type of transmission you have, your driving habits, what are your plans for the car, how handy you are to do the work yourself and how much money you have.

Blackhawk777
12-01-2008, 08:28 PM
The 3rd gen ring gears were a smidge bigger. I believe it was a 7.625" ring, where ours are a 7.5 inch.

supernaturalta
12-01-2008, 08:33 PM
The 3rd gen ring gears were a smidge bigger. I believe it was a 7.625" ring, where ours are a 7.5 inch.

GM went to the 7.625" ring gear in the 10 bolt starting in 1988.

omcar
12-02-2008, 09:45 AM
I bracket race my car 3-4 times per month and have had good luck with my stock rear. See my sig..

Sprayed 99
12-02-2008, 12:40 PM
no matter what u do to a 10 bolt, be it auto or stick, the 10 bolt is gonna break. save your money and upgrade. i think between me and 5 of my ls1 buddies we've blown up over 20 10 bolts. stockers to 10 sec rides the result will be the same given time.

stevegrizzle
12-02-2008, 01:01 PM
make your car as light as possible. spending any money on making a 10 bolt stronger would be better used on tipping strippers.

ndfrsd6
12-02-2008, 02:48 PM
make your car as light as possible. spending any money on making a 10 bolt stronger would be better used on tipping strippers.

lol big time right ....:D

Jon5212
12-02-2008, 02:51 PM
You can do anything you want, its still going to be a weak link. An automatic transmission is a little easier on them but not much. In my car i try not to grab 1-2 or 2-3very hard to save it from grenading. But I can bark the tires going into 4th.

w3s1c0a5t
12-02-2008, 03:08 PM
I think its kinda funny how many people think the 10 bolt will just vaporize itself at any moment on a car not making much power. I know and agree its weak. Thats been proven over and over. But to tell someone whos not tracking the car and "says" he wont race it that his rear end is like glass is pretty dumb. There are lots of people with power pounding these rear ends. 75+% are auto's. Point is Op... throw a cover and a set of axles if you really are going to baby it.. Just realize its still a 10 bolt.

FLSSLS1
12-02-2008, 07:23 PM
yes you can upgrade a 10 bolt for the street (notice I said street) with just a few little tricks, up grade the axles, weld the tubes to the housing (GM only used two spot welds on each tube) add a ARP stud kit to the caps (GM bolts are weak), install a quality mfg ring and pinion (yes they will be noisy, so what!) change the bearing, etc. and yes a TA cover! And that is all for less than $750. If your going to race the car and beat the hell out of it well yes you need to upgrade to 12 bolt, etc. I personally as a matter pride will never put a "Ford" 9" in my SS.

sdbrown84
12-02-2008, 07:48 PM
Take it out for a 9" or a 12bolt and don't worry about it again.

linegtdt52
12-02-2008, 08:28 PM
take that money you want to use to upgrade the 10 bolt with and donate it to my charity. Either way your still pissin it away.

wrd1972
12-02-2008, 09:31 PM
Only useful application for the 10 bolt rearend:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=46721190

supernaturalta
12-03-2008, 12:24 AM
I personally as a matter pride will never put a "Ford" 9" in my SS.

That's why I went with a fabricated 9". There isn't a Ford part anywhere in it. :D

2001ws6-500hp
12-03-2008, 08:20 AM
i kno this is dumb but, can u count the bolts on the cover to determine wht rearend is in your car?

Jon5212
12-03-2008, 09:33 AM
^^^ Yes thats pretty much what refers to it as a "10 bolt" or a "12 bolt".

camar0corey
12-03-2008, 11:11 AM
When you weld axle tubes, does it get hot enough to affect anything inside?

2002 SS HUGG
12-03-2008, 12:12 PM
Save up money and get 12 bolt or 9'. Waste of money putting into 10 bolt. If you get aftermarket rear...you can launch and not worry about anything going POW! lol

supernaturalta
12-03-2008, 02:33 PM
i kno this is dumb but, can u count the bolts on the cover to determine wht rearend is in your car?

^^^ Yes thats pretty much what refers to it as a "10 bolt" or a "12 bolt".

It's actually the number of bolts that fasten the ring gear to the carrier. :nod:

ROCNDAV
12-03-2008, 02:54 PM
i kno this is dumb but, can u count the bolts on the cover to determine wht rearend is in your car?

Yes, unlike the ford 9" or 8.8, Chevy rear ends are referred to by the bolts, not the size. A 12 bolt is 8.875" and a 10 bolt is 7.625 (7.5 for older 3rd gens). I think a Dana 60 is 9 3/4"

FLSSLS1
12-03-2008, 07:50 PM
When you weld axle tubes, does it get hot enough to affect anything inside?

You have to remove everything because ash will form inside so when your done, then it needs to be cleaned out and reassemble everything. Or the perfect when replacing the axles, etc.

ROCNDAV
12-03-2008, 08:09 PM
You have to remove everything because ash will form inside so when your done, then it needs to be cleaned out and reassemble everything. Or the perfect when replacing the axles, etc.


Can that be done with an arc welder, or do you need to use a special (MIG/TIG) welder?

w3s1c0a5t
12-04-2008, 12:09 AM
Can that be done with an arc welder, or do you need to use a special (MIG/TIG) welder?

I have my 10 bolt out right now there some pics or anything so i can tell my welder what i need him to do?

FLSSLS1
12-04-2008, 12:12 AM
just run a bead around each tube.

w3s1c0a5t
12-04-2008, 10:37 AM
just run a bead around each tube.

Shit. I may have to do that since its out.:D

Jon5212
12-04-2008, 11:01 AM
It's actually the number of bolts that fasten the ring gear to the carrier. :nod:

Then it must be coincidence that the cover also uses 10 bolts.

ROCNDAV
12-04-2008, 01:02 PM
Then it must be coincidence that the cover also uses 10 bolts.

as do the 12 bolts (12 bolt ring gear and 12 bolt cover)