Nitrous Oxide - n2o pros check over my set-up please!!




blakern
02-24-2009, 08:39 PM
Got a little time to work on the ride tonight. Nitrous guys please look over what ive done so far and point out any mistakes please!!!!
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blakern
02-24-2009, 08:42 PM
Heres a concern I had.
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Does this stick in far enough? Dosnt look like it to me but i dont really know. I mean i guess @ WOT it should suck it right over and into the motor? Maybe? Or should i get a different bellow?

blakern
02-24-2009, 08:44 PM
Couple more pics
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evilbeef54
02-24-2009, 08:48 PM
just looks a lil busy with the an line running everywhere i would run the main n2o feed line under the a/c lines just a few inches to the right, and unbolt the lid and rad shroud and keep runing the feed line under the rad shroud, i would also try to see if i could get the fuel noid over on the right side with the n2o and purge noids to keep that line and wires from just hanging out over the top like that, and whats te deal with that huge adapter on the purge noid, can you ditch that and hook the purge noid right up to the T block? just some cosmetic stuff, but i'm kinda pickey on that, looks like you should be fine with the fogger, you can take off the bellow and look at the other side of the fogger

blakern
02-24-2009, 09:02 PM
Other than cosmetic stuff is there anything that would make the setup unsafe or not function properly? This is just my inital setup and im going to try to make it a little cleaner later on. As far as that big thing before the purge, I really dont know what it is? This is a second hand kit for the most part and thats just how it was when I got it.

evilbeef54
02-24-2009, 09:15 PM
actually yeah upon looking at the pics again did you use teflon tape on the fittings, if so get that stuff off there clean out the threads go back and do it with blue loctite, you would hate to have a piece of teflon tape break off and jam up a n2o noid. other that that it's kinda hard to tell without seeing how you wired everything up but looks okay, you sure those an line are staying away from the pullies? kinda hard to tell from the pics, i'd look to see if ya can ditch that adapter for the purge noid to put it closer to the n2o noid

blakern
02-24-2009, 09:31 PM
I havnt done any of the wiring yet. And I think its teflon paste thats on the fitings. This was how it was already done. I plan on taken all the fittings apart and re-doing them.

evilbeef54
02-24-2009, 09:41 PM
okay, i'd also get a nitrous filter on there, cheap insurance, other than that the initial plumbing looks correct, teflon paste is kinda gritty, i'd get rid of that and clean off the threads and use blue loctit before i every tried spraying, especially if you didnt do it, you dont know know if the previous owner painted the paste right up to the edge of the fittings, BAD idea. lets put it this way, i wouldn't use teflon tape or paste on the paintball guns i used to work on, where you get a jammed noid you lose a tournament, im definatly not using it on a noid that if stuck open could blow my motor

rusty2198
02-24-2009, 09:56 PM
get rid of the teflon that crap will come loose and cause a solenoid to hang up. Will suck really bad if a n2o solenoid hung open and the fuel shut off. Hey but 2 thumbs up on that nitrogen assist SWEET. I learned my lesson 2 years ago getting greedy on the gas started off only going to hit 70 then I was like why not lets go 100 then 150 then I sold my mustang without a engine and bought a cheap F-body still miss the ole 5.0 but oh well I have another money pit to keep me busy. good luck with your install It will result in a ear to ear smile the first time you hit it trust me

Nick@HSW
02-25-2009, 10:14 AM
Get a nozzle retaining nut on the nozzle so it doesn't pop out of the bellow.

Nick

TA-Swede
02-25-2009, 10:45 AM
No blow-down tubes ?

blakern
02-25-2009, 10:57 AM
Get a nozzle retaining nut on the nozzle so it doesn't pop out of the bellow.

Nick

Yeah I have a retaining nut, just didnt get that far yet.

blakern
02-25-2009, 10:58 AM
No blow-down tubes ?

?? Blow down tubes?? I have a blow down tube pictured, on the n2o bottle.

next
02-25-2009, 01:19 PM
As it looks from the photos you should be fine with a couple of finishing touches. You're probably going to need to drill out the bellow hole more so you can get the retaining nut on the nozzle. It looks like you need to wire the FPSS to your relay. While it's not necessary, a WOT switch is nice addition.

If you wanted to make a little better here are a couple of ideas -

If you can afford to get shorter lines between your nozzle and solenoids I would do that. If you can ditch the BBK and get an LS6 intake you won't be using the nitrous to cool your manifold ;)

Oh and you'll be fine with the teflon paste, just don't use any sealant on AN fittings.

blakern
02-26-2009, 09:48 PM
Where is the best place to mount the WOT switch? Inside behind the gas petal, or under the hood behind the throttle body?

next
02-26-2009, 10:27 PM
Where is the best place to mount the WOT switch? Inside behind the gas petal, or under the hood behind the throttle body?

Throttle body.

evilbeef54
02-26-2009, 10:59 PM
yup throttle body works great and you arent really going for the hidden install so i'd put it there, if you do the pedal method you will need a pedal stop so you dont crush the switch

dnkynrbk
02-28-2009, 09:47 PM
Here is the kit im selling I had on my car. May give you and idea. I used a piece of 4 inch metal pipe and tig a nut on both sides and drilled and tapped it. and screwed my nozzles in and put loc tite on them so they dont move. If you have a wet kit you can also drill and tap the back of your MAF sensor I did this on another set up.
the rubber pipe I got from home depot in the pipe section cut it to length then boiled it in water to stretch it over my TB and METAL pipe. $4.50 part.
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Yea the engine bay is dirty its getting body work and a new hood so dont knock the dirt lol

found a pic of my maf that was drilled and tapped.
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the set up with it that way.
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dnkynrbk
02-28-2009, 09:54 PM
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blakern
03-02-2009, 07:44 PM
Somethings not right here. That silver thing right before the purge soleniod is the dynotune nitrous filter, if im correct. But that cant be the right place for it. It would only be fitlering the n20 thats going out the purge right? What should I do here? Should I just switch the purge and n2o soleniods around?
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Also kindof rigged up a wot bracket.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/blakern/DSCF1187.jpg

evilbeef54
03-03-2009, 12:28 AM
no if that is the filter then put it on the other side of the t-bracket, after the an line, before the t bracket so the filter is up stream of both noids

slowpoke96z28
03-03-2009, 12:47 AM
what pills did you put in the kit?

blakern
03-03-2009, 08:01 AM
what pills did you put in the kit?

Not sure what jets are in it right now, but im going to start out with the 100hp fuel jet wit the 75hp n2o jet.
Then later on bump-up to the 125hp fuel and 100hp n2o jets. If everything goes smoothly.

next
03-03-2009, 08:21 AM
Not sure what jets are in it right now, but im going to start out with the 100hp fuel jet wit the 75hp n2o jet.
Then later on bump-up to the 125hp fuel and 100hp n2o jets. If everything goes smoothly.


That's a bad idea.

ShiznityZ28
03-03-2009, 08:51 AM
That's a bad idea.


Im with next .... Rich is not safe. Most kits are already to rich don't add to the issues.

I can't see the pics at work cause there blocked but a nitrous filter should be within 12" of the bottle if you put it at the noid It will make the kit hit soft since it will let the nitrous start a faze change.

blakern
03-03-2009, 11:15 AM
why is this a bad idea? You guys know I have a NANO system in the pictures right???

I was told to run the n2o jet 25 less hp rating than the fuel jet.

Are the guys @ NANO wrong? Or are you guys wrong?

next
03-03-2009, 11:42 AM
why is this a bad idea? You guys know I have a NANO system in the pictures right???

I was told to run the n2o jet 25 less hp rating than the fuel jet.

Are the guys @ NANO wrong? Or are you guys wrong?

Folks run a push system to be able to maintain a constant pressure. Unless you plan on running a stupidly high pressure you are still limited by the orifice size of the jet on how much nitrous will flow through your system. So if you are running a typical psi on the nitrous side you will be rich if you jet it the way you are talking.

Maybe Shiz and I don't know what we are talking about. Then again, go count the number of guys that have run a 400 shot of gas on an LS1 and you will find very few of them. But you might find that he and I are on that list.

We are giving you advice based on our experience. Experience in the world of nitrous is the only real teacher you'll ever find. Only you can decide on how to apply the advice you get.

Good luck.

BTW, what plugs are you planning on running and are you pulling any timing out?

blakern
03-03-2009, 11:53 AM
So your saying brad@nano is wrong?
TR-6s
And yes im planning on pulling some timing. Not sure exactly how much. I dont think my timing is to agressive right now, but i'll probably pull 2 - 4 degrees out.

blakern
03-03-2009, 11:56 AM
but thanks for explaning a little. Instead of just saying "thats a bad idea"

ATVracr
03-03-2009, 12:16 PM
Maybe post up the actual jet sizes you plan to use and the fuel pressure.

Brad@Nano is giving you suggestions also, every car is different and by saying use the 150 N20 jet and the 175 fuel jet is a very ruff guess at the right tune up.

So would the 300 tune up be the 300 N20 and 350 fuel because thats double what you have there and it would not run good thats for sure.

blakern
03-03-2009, 12:18 PM
I honestly dont care what jets are in it. I want about 100hp shot and I want it to run safely.

Now I have nano telling me to run the jets one way, and you 400hp sprayers telling me a different thing. Who am I to believe?

blakern
03-03-2009, 12:22 PM
I know that nano is just recommending a starting point for the jets, and then I will fine tune it from there. But "Next" and "Shiz" are saying thats not the way to do it?

next
03-03-2009, 12:34 PM
I honestly dont care what jets are in it. I want about 100hp shot and I want it to run safely.

Now I have nano telling me to run the jets one way, and you 400hp sprayers telling me a different thing. Who am I to believe?

Yes, you REALLY do care what jets are in it. The number one rule of nitrous is to learn before you spray. You are doing a good job asking questions, but now it seems like you are willing to be cavalier when it comes to the most important part. Jetting and a/f.

As ATV said, post up the jet sizes you are considering. List the timing you plan on running. Find out what your a/f is on motor and post that. Confirm your fuel flowing psi and list that as well. Also how much bottle pressure are planning on?

These things may sound a lot of work for a small hit, but start with the basics and you'll be on the right track for the future. Learn to read plugs and your miles above the rest (invest in a magnifier).

Nobody's trying to bash on an individual or company so you can squash the "who's wrong" approach. Of course, all of us have been known to bash so I guess that's not out of the question either :jest:

As far as my simplistic, "bad idea" comment. Sometimes I'm a little busy to write an explanation and just want you to know that you need more suggestions.

blakern
03-03-2009, 12:43 PM
Thanks "next" Im not trying to step on anyones toes here, just trying to get some help. I just get a little frustrated I guess, just seems like I cant get any straight answers some times.

What do you think about my n2o filter situation? Like I said some of the kit is second hand and I just want to get it right. To me it looks like the filter is in the wrong place.

ATVracr
03-03-2009, 12:49 PM
You will have a hard time hurting parts with a 100 shot so safety shouldnt be much of an issue.
If you post up what your tune will be (jet size, fuel pressure, bottle press.) a few guys might be able to give you a few pointers that will get you the most out of that 100 shot.

Next is giving you some good advice in the more you learn now with the small stuff the less shit you will burn up WHEN you go bigger. I know everyone says they only want 100 shot but once you do it and feel the hit, you will want more sooner or later. :devil:

Good luck !!

ATVracr
03-03-2009, 12:54 PM
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=48

Best filter on the market and it doubles as a bottle nut so you wont be confused on where it goes.

blakern
03-03-2009, 01:04 PM
nice! thanks!

blakern
03-03-2009, 01:26 PM
now ATV will this filter work with the way I have my pressure gauge hooked up? I have the gauge hooked right after the bottle nut right before the main feed line. (its pictured on the first page) If i get this bottle nut/filter will my pressure gauge still read correctly?

ATVracr
03-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Yes for both questions.

blakern
03-03-2009, 02:16 PM
thank you very much..

Ruckus46Gt
03-03-2009, 02:17 PM
I run 100 nitrous pill ans 125 fuel pill with nano and its dead on. Most kits tell you to run pressure at 900 psi around. Nano is 950 at the hit then goes back to 1050 so that alone will cause a car to lean out a little. I agree with the holes are still the same on the solonioid orifices but more pressure will cause slightly more to push threw also

ATVracr
03-03-2009, 02:33 PM
I run 100 nitrous pill ans 125 fuel pill with nano and its dead on. Most kits tell you to run pressure at 900 psi around. Nano is 950 at the hit then goes back to 1050 so that alone will cause a car to lean out a little. I agree with the holes are still the same on the solonioid orifices but more pressure will cause slightly more to push threw also

Just curious what is "dead on" ? (My bet is its rich)

And what are the jet sizes?
Not every company uses the same jet sizes for 100 and 125 shot.

:angel:

blakern
03-03-2009, 02:44 PM
Thanks for chiming in Ruckus. What are your jets? What kit are you using?
I think my dnyo tune kit recomends 850psi.

ShiznityZ28
03-03-2009, 02:53 PM
What some guys think is dead on is 11.8 to 1. FYI 11.X to 1 is not dead on. Any real nitrous guy will have you closer to 12.5-13 to 1 and alot less timming than the avg guy runs. But what do i know .

Ruckus46Gt
03-03-2009, 05:54 PM
Just curious what is "dead on" ? (My bet is its rich)

And what are the jet sizes?
Not every company uses the same jet sizes for 100 and 125 shot.

:angel:
you might be right might tech be pig rich but its dead on to what I feel safe running the car at. I run a 11.5-11.6 across the board

Thanks for chiming in Ruckus. What are your jets? What kit are you using?
I think my dnyo tune kit recomends 850psi.
hsw wet kit, best bet is put it on a dyno and see where your at.

What some guys think is dead on is 11.8 to 1. FYI 11.X to 1 is not dead on. Any real nitrous guy will have you closer to 12.5-13 to 1 and alot less timming than the avg guy runs. But what do i know .
True I had one place try to get me to keep the car pig rich at 10.5 to 1 and told me thats perfect. Everyone has a different tune. I keep a little more timing in just because I run the car n/a a lot also. Spray is for other classes. Like i said earlier it might not be the "perfect" af but it was dead on to what I wanted

slowpoke96z28
03-04-2009, 04:12 AM
are all your pills going to come from the same manufacturer? thats one thing you dont want to mix and match on. the different manufacturers use different sized orifices for their "advertised" 100, 125, 150, and so on sized shots. what may be a 100 shot on one may be the same orifice size as another's 125 or 150.

blakern
03-04-2009, 07:24 AM
yeah all my pills are dyno tune, and if i need any more i'll get them from them as well.

But im not really worried about that right now. I have to tackel the wiring next.:confused::confused::confused: I think thats going to be the hardest part of this install. Not really sure how all this wiring goes together. (wetkit, fpss, window switch, purge, ect) To many wires if you ask me.:confused::confused:

blakern
03-04-2009, 08:02 PM
Mounted window switch in center console after supper.
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blakern
03-04-2009, 08:04 PM
Wow the cameras flash really makes my car look really dirty and nasty. I swear its not that bad, I try to keep it as clean as possible, inside and out.

Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
03-04-2009, 10:29 PM
Install is looking good. Like suggested above I would spend alittle time cleaning up the lines.

What everyone is trying to make sure you understand is that jetting results will vary from car to car. Anything the manufactures give you is just a starting point for your tune up. It is up to you to make sure the tune up is correct.

Different people have different ideas on what the best airfuel is. Most serious racers looking for every ounce of hp will run there tune up closer to the 12.5 area or until the plugs look nice and clean. For the average street car guy that will not be reading there plugs everytime they go out I like to suggest a tune up of 11.8. This gives a good medium point on the airfuel. Most street car guys are staying some what aggressive on the timming due to running mainly N/A.

Dave

evilbeef54
03-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Okay bro, wiring wont be that bad, i have posted a bit showing the wiring for a nitrous system, i will try to help if i can. However as everyone said, check the attitude bro, i saw this thread going south quick so i left for a bit... but then i got drunk, now im here again... anywayz if i can help with the wiring let me know, i get by okay with that stuff, but as far as the jetting goes... EVERY sustem is different, do you have a wideband (if not and if you really want to run n2o and learn get one)

blakern
03-05-2009, 07:46 AM
thanks everyone. ill be needing more help as i go along. And yes I do have a wideband.

next
03-05-2009, 08:07 AM
thanks everyone. ill be needing more help as i go along. And yes I do have a wideband.

wideband = ok

reading plugs = great

Again, you're on a small shot now so not really that big a deal. But when you go bigger...

blakern
03-05-2009, 12:55 PM
Ok I just talked to dynotune and I guess I wasted my time making that bracket for the micro switch because, with the RPM window switch I dont need a micro switch?? Does that sound correct? I guess it makes sence to me now that they explained it, but what do you guys think?

ATVracr
03-05-2009, 03:36 PM
You should still have a WOT switch but most of the controllers have one built in.

next
03-05-2009, 03:40 PM
Traction is going to own you.

blakern
03-05-2009, 03:59 PM
yeah i think this controller has one built-in. has a wire thats suspose to go to the tps i think.

And yes traction is going to be an issue. going to lock first gear out with the window switch, but once it shifts into second it might be a little hairy.

blakern
03-09-2009, 07:18 PM
Got the n2o and purge solenoids cleaned up a bit, just removed the filter from the mess, and switched the solenoids around so the n2o is inline with the main feed line and the purge is in the T fitting.
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Sill need to do the wiring. Looked at how the wiring was already setup from the last guy, and it looks correct, but not done very well. Previous guy must have been in a hurry cause he didnt use any connectors, he just twisted the wires together and taped them.:nono: