New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - Carburated ls1 camaro

i was wondering if anyone has put a carb on one yet or would i be better sticking EFI thanks

Yeah..I've seen one.
It'was an abomination. A hacksaw cut cowl..& other ghetto-rigged POS traits.
If you plan on keeping tags on it & you deal with smog inspections,it's pretty much a no go.
An Ls1 Camaro is NOT an 87 fox body 5.0.(an engine originally developed with a carb.)
Don't ruin the car.

Ok i was just wondering i have a 4inch hood so i know it would clear and i dont have to do smog checks i was just wondering what if any performance gains i would get

well if you can tune a carb thats lots of $$ you will save instead of bring it to a tuner.

a good carbed ls1 will dominate

Guys who have wild combinations with lots of boost, etc can exeed what even a FAST can flow & become a restriction..So they will swap on carb style Wilson or Vic Jr.
They run that in conjuction with an elbow bolted on the carb mountiong pad.
LSx carb compatible manifolds also have bosses that can be machined to accomodate fuel injectors..So they lose the resriction ,but they stay EFI.
The 4th gen F-body was the designed from the outset with EFI..As opposed to the early 3rd gens which were carburated.
So to back date a 3rd gen wasn't that big of a deal(it was still shade tree sacrelege on TPI motor)
The LT1s were a close cousin to an engine that had accomodated a carb from the factory ,the small block chevy...So the idea of a carb'd LT1 in an engine swap type set-up wasn't that big of deal, either
The LSx was never developed with a "wet flow" manifold or heads.
The 4th gen f-body itself was engineered from the outset to operate with all of those electronics for a reason.
Carb'd LSx belong in swap applications (they do run OK), not in cars that were originally LSx equipped, unless you plan on installing a window net & racing it down at the local dirt track.

What about putting a th350 trans in

well if you can tune a carb thats lots of $$ you will save instead of bring it to a tuner.

a good carbed ls1 will dominate
Penny wise,pound foolish.
It's cheaper/easier/more reliable to modify exsisting EFI arcitecture
than ripping it all out & trying to figure out what you need & don't need & what to bypass..& how your going to fire your plugs..If you have an auto,you will need a stand alone computer to run your 4L60e unless you want to install an older unit,like a 700R4 or a Turbo 400.
A six speed car I guess would be a little easier.
You will need a new fuel system with carb style fuel pump...& come to think of it..In order to fire the plugs in an F-body you would have to stay with a Coil near plug setup with an MSD/Edelbrock timing controller.
There's no room up front for the distributor (the only place that can be adapted to run one).
Keep the car EFI unless it's a full on tube chassis drag car..Then put a BBC in it.

What about putting a th350 trans in

It's your car, man.
The only reason to do that is because you're tired of blowing up 4L60's.
TH350's have more aftermarket parts available & can be made stronger for cheaper.
But a basic TH350 isn't any stronger than modern 4L60/65's..
So slappin in stock one out of an mid 70's Cutlass wouldnt make the car any better.

Personally,I'm a big fan of overdrive.

I like overdrive and my EFI... you want that other stuff... get a 70 camaro.

As far as carb tuning it is concerned, it's harder to get right (especially if your just starting out) than modern EFI.
You have to first of all,install a quality carburator(not the chrome Edelbrock on the shelf at Autozone).
At the minimum you would need a 770 Holley Street Avenger..Even better would be an HP or a Demon..Those are NOT cheap carbs...Then you get to screw with setting the idle, after that, jetting,float level,secondary opening rate,& plug reading..DynoTuning with a wideband helps alot..But at thet point,you might as well have stayed with EFI where tuning is done with a few strokes of the keyboard..
& since the car is now carb'd ,you have no knock-retard to save you if you get too carried away with the timing map that you dialed into the ignition controller.

So whats the best cam i can run with stock heads and what would be the best intake.So far ive made my own ram air i just put long tube headers on and still figuring out what size exhuast i should run its got msd wires on it it got a k&n and thats it so far 13.15 at 106 with ram air then with the 150 shot it went 12.27 at 116 so what would it take from here to just get in the 12s with out the bottle

well if i went to a card i like holley street hp cause it has adjustable air bleeds wich help out alot on tunning the carb on my dads dragster i just know more about carbs then EFI ithats why im on here i love my Z i just want to to be one of the faster ones in rockford you know so i want help to go the right way with my z so thanks for the help you guys can give me

some people rather a carb. dont hate for that. all in what people want

well if i went to a card i like holley street hp cause it has adjustable air bleeds wich help out alot on tunning the carb on my dads dragster i just know more about carbs then EFI ithats why im on here i love my Z i just want to to be one of the faster ones in rockford you know so i want help to go the right way with my z so thanks for the help you guys can give me

Well..Spend some time here & learn about EFI.:)
Read the stickies at the top of the various forums (like newbie tech)..If it's knowledge you want,you've come to the right place.
If you want to be "one of the faster ones"..
Remember,there's no replacement for cubic dollars!.
Fast,cheap,or reliable..Pick any two!
& of course,there's ALWAYs someone faster.

some people rather a carb. dont hate for that. all in what people want
No one is "hating"..He asked for opinions.
He sounds like a young fellow who may not know what he would be getting into.
Just my $.02

I have seen it done to a 02 CETA, and that thing will run. But im not a big fan of putting a carb on a LSX engine.
Its all in what you want.

im kind of partial but i just swapped a carb'd lsx into my lt1 body camaro. just fyi you can use factory intake pump, w/ adapter fittings to run an lines to an aftermarket aeromotive regulator that will convert hi press (efi) down to a low pres. system needed for a carb, and its a return style regulator as well.

it can be done, it isnt as simple as hooking up a laptop and changin values, but to each his own.

I have seen it done to a 02 CETA, and that thing will run. But im not a big fan of putting a carb on a LSX engine.
Its all in what you want.
:secret2:

I wonder who that could be:jest:


Thanks Greg

come to think of it..In order to fire the plugs in an F-body you would have to stay with a Coil near plug setup with an MSD/Edelbrock timing controller.
There's no room up front for the distributor (the only place that can be adapted to run one).

Do your research, this wasn't made this morning. Yes, thats an HEI sitting up front, one 12 volt wire will fire 8 sparkplugs with it.

And yes GM made the intake LS1 intake for fuel injection, Edelbrock made theirs for wet flow.

http://image.carcraft.com/f/8864663/116_0508_boost06_z.jpg

Do your research, this wasn't made this morning. Yes, thats an HEI sitting up front, one 12 volt wire will fire 8 sparkplugs with it.
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I type it slower for you..
THERE IS NO ROOM IN A 4TH GEN F-BODY FOR A FRONT MOUNTED DISTRIBUTOR!
I've fucking seen one installed in on an LSX HHR swap back as far a 2006.
I know what the fuck I'm talking about..Sorry if you didn't understand.

And yes GM made the intake LS1 intake for fuel injection, Edelbrock made theirs for wet flow.


GM never engineered LSX INTAKE PORTS for wet flow.
It's not to say they dont work in a wet flow application...It's just luck that they do.

I type it slower for you..
THERE IS NO ROOM IN A 4TH GEN F-BODY FOR A FRONT MOUNTED DISTRIBUTOR!
I've fucking seen one installed in on an LSX HHR swap back as far a 2006.
I know what the fuck I'm talking about..Sorry if you didn't understand.


GM never engineered LSX INTAKE PORTS for wet flow.
It's not to say they dont work in a wet flow application...It's just luck that they do.

:bs:...It would work if LS2 FRONT MOUNTED DISTRIBUTOR on '01Camaro:D:D

I type it slower for you..
THERE IS NO ROOM IN A 4TH GEN F-BODY FOR A FRONT MOUNTED DISTRIBUTOR!
I've fucking seen one installed in on an LSX HHR swap back as far a 2006.
I know what the fuck I'm talking about..Sorry if you didn't understand.


GM never engineered LSX INTAKE PORTS for wet flow.
It's not to say they dont work in a wet flow application...It's just luck that they do.

You need to get laid man, calm the fuck down.
Theres no room for a 4L80E in an F Body either, and it doesn't have a TA mount, but people make them work all the time.

There are no F Body brackets on a ford 9" rear but todays technology has worked around that too.

I think we can make a hood that will clear the distributor, I'll put money on it that theres already one out there.

You got to realize this, when you're in the military you may have to stick to strick standards. But when you're back in the real world you can let people do as they wish.

I'll keep my fuel injection. But I'm not going to bounce off the roof if someone doesn't comply and decides to swap in a carb and HEI. :pimp:

Sorry..bad day in the desert..
I'm currently set on "kill".

Sorry..bad day in the desert..
I'm currently set on "kill".

:funny:

and there have been plenty of carbed LSx's out there, and ive even seen a front mount distributor on a LSx (i believe they used a ford distributor because it was smaller, not sure it was about a year ago) And actually carbed LS1 will outrun a similarly modded EFI LS1, why? because it flows better than even the LS6 intake. the only disadvantage to carbed motors other than tuning is efficiency, EFI owns in the MPG department.

theres alot of things that f body's arent supposed to have. thats why you BUILD your car.

carbs work very well with ls motors actually. :)
its hard to have in a 4th gen fbody but it can be done.
im building a carb. ls engine for my 3rd gen camaro, car was alredy carb., so fuel system is alredy there.

I could have sworn I've seen front mount distributors in F-bodies. Like the MSD belt driven one, or somethin similar. Hmm, Ill hafta look for the pics.

I could have sworn I've seen front mount distributors in F-bodies. Like the MSD belt driven one, or somethin similar. Hmm, Ill hafta look for the pics.

Yes,there are..Usually mounted on a BBC in a full on race-car.

Like I posted above..Carb'd LSX motors belong in street rods & other engine swap recipients..
Not on a street driven 4th gen F-body.
If you convert a 4th gen Fbody to a carb..It needs to have a window net so it can be raced at the dirt track when it's not transporting crystal meth.
Only a dumb shadetree 'neck that "don't trust that 'newfangled technology'" should ever consider running a carb on a street 98-02 F body.
You might as well swap on some '74 Corvette rally wheels & an 8-track player while your at it..

JMHO..

So you're saying on my meth runner I should swap from fuel injection to carb because it'll be more reliable? Cuz I don wanna get caght thats fer sure brother, thanks for thet tip.
Oh and BTW, very dumb idea to use the same car rto run meth and circle track race, good way to get busted IMO.
I like the 8 track idea, what you use a fack tape hollowed out to store small deliveries in? Fuckin aye man, you're a genius. Got any pics or link to how to's?

Yes,there are..Usually mounted on a BBC in a full on race-car.

Like I posted above..Carb'd LSX motors belong in street rods & other engine swap recipients..
Not on a street driven 4th gen F-body.
If you convert a 4th gen Fbody to a carb..It needs to have a window net so it can be raced at the dirt track when it's not transporting crystal meth.
Only a dumb shadetree 'neck that "don't trust that 'newfangled technology'" should ever consider running a carb on a street 98-02 F body.
You might as well swap on some '74 Corvette rally wheels & an 8-track player while your at it..

JMHO..

Oh and BTW, very dumb idea to use the same car rto run meth and circle track race, good way to get busted IMO.

:chug::D

HAAAAhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yes,there are..Usually mounted on a BBC in a full on race-car.

Like I posted above..Carb'd LSX motors belong in street rods & other engine swap recipients..
Not on a street driven 4th gen F-body.
If you convert a 4th gen Fbody to a carb..It needs to have a window net so it can be raced at the dirt track when it's not transporting crystal meth.
Only a dumb shadetree 'neck that "don't trust that 'newfangled technology'" should ever consider running a carb on a street 98-02 F body.
You might as well swap on some '74 Corvette rally wheels & an 8-track player while your at it..

JMHO..

wow!
:gtfo:

was doing some research on a project im about to start and stumbled upon this. Im kind of new to the LS1 engine, but im not quite understanding why everyone is arguing about putting a dizzy on... unless im missing something completely (which often times i do) doesnt Edelbrock make the manifold WITH MSD box so everything is pretty much just plug and play? wouldnt that allow you to use the factory "dizzy" or whatever GM has put to act as a distrubutor?

sorry, just being nosy and asking questions, dont shoot me down haha

well, when i was in the desert set on kill i didnt have a computer to argue with people on and that was the last thing on my mind. what are you a poggie

Carburation will work, apparently there is even a distributor settup for this application.

But, why do all of this to go backwards?

It is a fact that individual fuel injectors per cylinder are more efficient.

And come on, HEI over coil over plug. . . . . .Really?

hopefully i can do the swap next weekend and ill take pics and let you know how its goes

what ive been tossing around the past little bit has been something that ive always loved, a mix of old and new. but i just think for what im wanting to do with the car, carburetor would be the way to go.

1964 Chevy II, Full tube chassis car with 9" rear, 4link and wheelie bars, mustang front end with LS1, Carbed with ported/polished stock heads and MS3 cam upgrade (maybe a small plate kit of nitrous *125-175) and a TH400 behind it.

Buddy of mine has the car as a roller already, its a true SS car which i was mixed about feeling wise, but its a well built car, Strange 3rd member in the 9" full tins all inside, carpeted with a pair of RCI Highbacks and an array of Autometer gauges.

I just think itll be fun weekend/bracket car

researching is going to be the biggest thing for me and first thing is learning more about the carburated LS1 setups and such

if the motor im building doesnt work out in the mg i have a 69 chevelle in the barn that i can drop it into.