View Full Version : Twin Turbo V6 Camaro?


AlphaJaguar5
03-16-2009, 04:47 PM
What do you guys think if a company like a Full Race or Garrett offered a twin turbo kit for the V6 Camaro as a bolt on upgrade for a lot less than the difference of an SS Camaro. Would you pick it over the SS Camaro?

I'm asking because I know a lot of people my age can't afford an SS Camaro even though they'd love one. This route gives them SS power but for a lot less $$$. You would be able to have a Camaro and still surprise the crap out of people by taking it to them with SS power in a V6.

Thoughts. Opinions.

JD_AMG
03-16-2009, 05:24 PM
Consider a few things here.
How much weight would the kit add (at least 200lbs).
Can the stock V6 drive train take the increased torque?
Is the few thousand dollars in difference between the installed and tuned TT V6 Camaro with no warrenty now worth it over a warrantied V8 Camaro that also comes with better suspension, brakes and a beefier drive train?

Sammyboy
03-16-2009, 05:25 PM
warranty would be the difference maker

WECIV
03-16-2009, 06:51 PM
The issues with most of us is...we like V8s this is why we get muscle cars. There are plenty of options out there such as you discuss in other vehicles. Though I am sure some folks would buy it.

W

jmurray87
03-16-2009, 07:15 PM
I would do it, just to be different.....if the 3.8 in the 4th gens can be made into a dam good performer then I know for sure the new V6 in the 5th gen will be that much better. But I want a V8 SS as well....so maybe both? haha

hc8719
03-16-2009, 08:40 PM
If GM was thinking about a production V6 TT, I would deffinately consider it. I know Ford was/is talking about a V6 TT that would outperform the V8, while also offering better fuel economy.

I know a lot of us love our V8's. V8's and muscle cars go together like milk and cookies. Except for the past ten or so years, V6's have generally been lackluster, this has changed dramatically.

If a V6 TT Camaro offers better MPGs to meet CAFE standards, or makes the Camaro a better seller, I'm for it.

There have been some exceptional (non-ricey) V6s, both naturally aspirated and forced induction (a few 4 bangers too). I wouldn't overlook a great performer, just because it wasn't a V8

karst#9
03-16-2009, 10:39 PM
I think 11.3 compression you might have some issues.

atexasguy18
03-16-2009, 10:57 PM
I'd like to see what the v6 can do

I bet it gets pretty good gas milage

WECIV
03-17-2009, 12:12 AM
I think the current V6 will suffice...but I would like to see what could be done with the ecotec I4 in future upgrades.

W

88blackgt
03-17-2009, 04:06 AM
duratecs love boost noble m12 dumdumdum

im sober

ThisBlood147
03-20-2009, 08:27 PM
Looks like Ford might be putting the ecoboost Mustang on the backburner. So unless something really good or really bad happens with new Camaro sales, I'm not sure I see any motivation for GM to do a TT model.

samson_420
03-20-2009, 09:56 PM
Cool idea in a way. . . . But, it is a fact Camaro owners love v8's, including me.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with a TT settup on any car, but it just does not scream GM muscle. . . . My 2 Cents.

Sammyboy
03-20-2009, 10:06 PM
Yup.....we (borgwarner) are working on twin turbo"ing" the 3.5........(V6 mustang)

Summerwolf
03-22-2009, 11:47 AM
It'd be cool to see. I'd rather have a V8 version but if I ever wound up with a beater 6 cylinder camaro at least there'd be an option for power down the line. (everyone knows they mod the beater too!!)

Z28Venom
03-22-2009, 03:31 PM
Anything with a turbo would peak my interest.

kain01
03-22-2009, 09:59 PM
The V6 is perfectly capable, there have been at least two concepts released with a twin turbo setup for Buick. The Centieme:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0309_buick_centieme/index.html

and the Velite:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0405_buick_velite/index.html

They both push 400 horsepower but seeing how neither of these had vvt or direct injection I'm betting 500 could be easily had out of it.

Can-Am
03-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Cool idea in a way. . . . But, it is a fact Camaro owners love v8's, including me.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with a TT settup on any car, but it just does not scream GM muscle. . . . My 2 Cents.

I'd think muscle cars will always have V8s. I think in the future GM may go with a small displacement V8 (<244ci) with a light pressure turbo. I think ppl are missing the fact that GM pulls exceptional fuel economy out of what are really big engines in the LS3 and LS7.

karst#9
03-24-2009, 12:06 AM
The V6 is perfectly capable, there have been at least two concepts released with a twin turbo setup for Buick. The Centieme:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0309_buick_centieme/index.html

and the Velite:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0405_buick_velite/index.html

They both push 400 horsepower but seeing how neither of these had vvt or direct injection I'm betting 500 could be easily had out of it.
How much boost are these running?

kain01
03-24-2009, 10:20 AM
Doesn't say, if I had to guess I'd say 9 -12. This was meant for production so it wouldn't have been a whole lot.

mj114679
03-24-2009, 09:15 PM
well if they mad a kit for it that would be cool cause insurance would be cheaper.. right?

Meemperor
03-25-2009, 04:41 PM
I would do it, just to be different.....if the 3.8 in the 4th gens can be made into a dam good performer then I know for sure the new V6 in the 5th gen will be that much better. But I want a V8 SS as well....so maybe both? haha



3800's made over 900whp on stock rods and stock block.

And a few junkyard motors have been into the 9's with 3800's. Bone stock bottom ends. I doubt the new V6 will be better.

Tuning and the thing will be a bitch just like all the Direct Injected stuff right now. IIRC the Turbo Cobalts won't even let you add a mod without dialing the power back through timing/fuel .

FiredUpZ28
03-25-2009, 04:49 PM
I very much so think it could be better. With 24 valves helping it breathe up top as opposed to 12, upper RPM so much more killer on these.

Johnnystock
03-25-2009, 05:05 PM
Itll end up pricier for the same performance or less. Better off with the stock LS3 and start modding it after.

Meemperor
03-26-2009, 02:23 AM
I very much so think it could be better. With 24 valves helping it breathe up top as opposed to 12, upper RPM so much more killer on these.

I'll take a better power band over peak HP anyday, but it's basically a Direct Injected LY7. Cams aren't available, nothing internal is easily available. There are some bolt on CSC kits making some good power (350whp) but they are VERY pricey, and the bottom end is known not to be as strong as the 3800's. That's why the 3.8L's are great, amazing blocks. No need to build them :)

wannafbody
03-27-2009, 10:26 PM
A twinscrew blower would be the best way to go ont he V6 (I think).

twelver12
03-29-2009, 01:42 AM
i believe its coming were entering the turbo age here damn near every car coming out is gonna have a turbo and a smaller engine in the coming years i just did a research paper on this in school and renault is already working with a less than 1 liter engine with a turbo, reason being a small engine with a turbo can perform just as well as a larger engine without one and have better fuel economy and is cheaper to produce, im stickin with my v8's as long as they are around though idc if i start getting my a&$ kicked by turbo four cylinder school busses nothing can replace that exhaust note.

ChevyChad
04-06-2009, 01:07 PM
Where is the TT V8 option in this poll? :devil:

skymarauder
04-13-2009, 12:42 PM
Where is the TT V8 option in this poll? :devil:

that option is sitting in front of my house :)

cept its a single turbo.. but still!

Flaring Afro
04-13-2009, 04:40 PM
First off, that'll void warranty. Secondly, anyone who wants the power will get the V8. Theres no real market for this, yet. Maybe in 6 years or so...

chevy8806
04-14-2009, 01:08 PM
Trust me on this... 3.6 is a very strong v6. Before they could only get 260hp out of a SC 3800 but now they get 300 out of a DI 3600! The problem is the whole top end. It is junk. The heads are shit and the cams walk in and out. Second is the cam sprokets are shit. It will jump time easy! With the right amount of $$$ you could fix these issues but right now with virtually no aftermarket product; i would stay away from these engines. I dont see putting a bolt on tt or any forced induction setup on a 3.6 would be safe. They got 11.4:1 compression. The good thing about the engine is the vvt that when they make a cams (yea cams:2in 2ex 3chains!) for it; that motor would scream! Also for the "mechanicaly inclined" this motor is no 3.8 to work on.

Build #1
05-11-2009, 05:29 PM
I would never take one over an LS3, but sure make it, someone will buy it.

Grand National 5-0
05-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Cool idea in a way. . . . But, it is a fact Camaro owners love v8's, including me.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with a TT settup on any car, but it just does not scream GM muscle. . . . My 2 Cents.

Ummmm.....huh? look in my sig, thats a V6 and its also considered a GM muscle car so.....?

i think what you mean is that a CAMARO with a V6 does not scream GM muscle...

DaveX
05-13-2009, 06:22 PM
It's a cool idea but I'd rather have a V8. As for fuel mileage, the V6 is not much better right now than the V8. I'm guessing with boost it would get less than the V8. One of the issues with doing it though might be the fuel injectors. Isn't this the DI motor? I doubt there is much in the way of aftermarket injectors available.

hefftone
05-14-2009, 01:56 PM
I could'nt pick one over an LS3, but I'd love to see the result's,...the block is designed to displace up to 4.0L. The mazda turbo I4's are running 10.0:1 compression with direct injection. And this LLT is running on 87 octane. So even with a properly sized single turbo, it could be a wicked motor, maybe not so much in a camaro, but in a decent RWD Pontiac G6 type car,... be an awesome daily driver... I'd get rid of my 97 M3 and all its headaches.

Chronicle
05-14-2009, 04:16 PM
where is the tt v8 option in this poll? :devil:

+1 :nod:

Only_A6
05-20-2009, 10:33 PM
I have a 3.8 (and very proud of it) and I am planning on putting a turbo on the car and using the same block. I see no problem with doing a turbo set up for v6's. If you are a into cars and you have a passion for them, then you have respect for the GNX/GN which had a 3.8 liter and gave the V8's something to cry about. The 98-02 camaro's carry that 3.8 and it is a very good block. I have 122k miles on mine and it still runs great. If you love the f-body then you love all models of it, not just the ones with two extra cylinders. I say yes to a turbo/twin turbo set up to any V6 model. If you support it then that is great if not then don't be pissed when you see my tail lights but show some respect, ha.