RiceEaterZ

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Alright So 1. I'm a noob. next: I am looking at doing my first cam swap this summer I am leaning heavy towards a tsp 233/239 112, maybe 113, or #2 a torquer v3 231/234. I do not know enough about cams to answer my q. so please try not to be a complete dick unless you've got constructive info first Please people with experience only, FACTS fly around here. Please do not try and sell me on the MS4 as that was my initial starting point for consideration.. I am not saying its a bad cam or anything.That being said after deciding on size range, not too sure about what lsa, I "listened" around on youtube comparing various cammed ls1's, My Question for Ya'll is: Can a tsp 233/239 cam or similar sound anything like this 220/220 114 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7EBu...eature=related
I Really Like how it sounds, how would you describe the sound? Love how it doesn't resemble popcorn, am I gonna be stuck with that sputtering popcorn sound ???? Thank you Very Much for your time.

Sincerely,

RiceEaterZ.

conan

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If you want something like the tsp 233/239 and you dont want it so choppy get it on a 114 or higher lsa. Or check out the tsp 228r on a 114lsa.

HTX

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that exhaust sounded good. anyone know what that was?

kmracer

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i think with the right exhaust on a 113 or 114 and it would idle close to that. sounds good though.

patriotformula

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Put a torquer 2 with a 112 or 113 LSA in my brothers 05 GTO and it sounds VERY VERY good... now thats kind of comparing apples to oranges because they have true duals, but the fact remains... Great sounding cam. I have the MS4 in my car and it sounds quite a bit louder/meaner... for a smaller cam the torquer2 is very nice.

99Ls1fever

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I personally have great respect for the TSP M3 very reliable cam, many people I know and myself use the cam. I went with 112 LSA, because I like a little chop to my idle and have had zero problems with it. I picked up good horsepower at 45 hp on stock heads when I had my stock short block and heads. I personally like that cam and the tor. 3 that you have mentioned as the best TSP Cams.

RiceEaterZ

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Wow a thread with solidity and all constructive advice! Love it ok so my noobomiter is telling me that lsa higher is more refined at idle...I can get my hands on a used 233/239 113 and relying on luck a much newer 233/239 112 if that sale falls through with the other guy, UPDATE: Beat to the punch on the Cherry 233/239 112, So either I grab the 113 unless some magical **** pops up for sale...or buy new from texas speed in which case prob. the torquer and if im on something the ms3 but hey a deal is a deal esp. for my first cam right guys?? I am glad to hear that other people think that car sounds nice, I thought maybe i'd lost it since I didn't prefer all out raunch, now don't get me wrong, I like raunch but I already get tons of attention from the local bacon, I am the only camaro on island with my hood and have a heavy foot *who doesn't with an lsx?* so a ms4 or trex type would just do me in

DevilDougWS6

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i have a "torquer v2" in my car, only its a custom grind from comp cams, the duration is the same 232-234 with a bit more lift and a 113 lsa, its very choppy, but sounds really good. makes decent power as well.

the lower the lobe separation angle (LSA) the choppier it will be. the higher it is, the smoother it will be. more duration allows a longer time for air/fuel to move through the valves, and higher lift allows MORE air/fuel through during the time the valves are open.

i do not believe LSA has any real effect on power, other than if you decided to go forced induction, a 112 lsa will not be very good.

LS1-NAVY

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look into the el torro if u want something with good low end torque look up chris1313 on here

conan

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Check this out, https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...mparision.html
My 2 picks for you would be the 228r on a 114lsa or the torquer v2 on a 114 lsa.

RiceEaterZ

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Wow yea, I just noticed how high the lift was on the TorquerV3 and I don't wanna worry about springs more frequently so NVM T3.


Cash in hand, Buyer flaked on Cherry *** TSP so its back in the running...this is it Ya'll
My first cam is in this list of 3:
It's between The used TSP's: Cherry 233/239 112 & 233/239 113 with moderate miles, Or a Brand New Torquer V2
232/234 114. there is about $100+ price difference here between buying new, thinking that could go towards pushrods etc. unless the torquer is really worth the extra price. Getting close here 112 is popcorn though right?

THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG65m...eature=related
is popcornish.

Detoxx03

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I say consider a custom gring from Patrick G or Futral

RiceEaterZ

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ok so It looks like Im gonna end up with the TSP 233/239 112, Unless the sale goes bad, I told the guy I'd take it if he'll ship it so I'm keeping to my word. Fkin money is tight right now as I'm waiting for the imminent death of my well factory matched10bolt and prob. clutch right after, I couldn't resist saving the $100+ over new, Im hoping I won't be dissapointed with Noise etc. DD, I really still would rather have a torquer v2@114LSA which sits at #1 on my list so my plan B to ease up the possible stupidity for giving in to my addiction and Biting on the deal is If it isn't to my liking after I install it this summer, Since I'll know how to do it I can pull that sucker out, and sell it with my FipkII or predator to cover the price of a Brand New Texas Speed Torquer v2 114

teke184

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that vette video you posted is pretty nasty...but honestly...if you ran straight pipes on any reasonable cam...you'd get that same popcorn sound.

a decent muffler calms down that sharp sound.

i have the V1 of the torquer and really like the sound.



not that it makes much diff since you're getting that 233/239...but a 1 deg change in LSA won't even be noticable.
its not a night and day difference.

i've been running my stock 10bolt behind 400rwhp and 315 tires for 3yrs. i even did 2yrs with nitto drag radials. i don't launch it hard, but with a stage 4 clutch i DO shift it hard.

i spent the extra money on a stud kit for the diff and then put a girdle on it. not bad insurance.

RiceEaterZ

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straight pipes as in true duals right?? currently I've got and am staying with LT's and ORY, I wanna drop the crapmaster muffler for Magnaflow or borla muffler and since I haven't had the ORY+LT's for long *crapmaster came with car* I won't be dropping more $ into exhaust besides mufflers anytime soon, maybe after I get heads and a 90/90 which is a ways away. What did you mean by "not that it makes much diff since you're getting that 233/239...but a 1 deg change in LSA won't even be noticable.
its not a night and day difference." is it not enough difference going from 112 to 114 lsa to notice? or does it have to do with the size of the cam, I don't wanna run anything smaller like a 220/220 or 228R for my first cam because it'll be flying out for a bigger one instantly as I want 400rwhp without heads.

I have 315's as well and would like to launch it hard but i've never done over a 3000 sidestep stock.
I've heard some are fortunate like yourself with the rears but other's aren't even just DRs can be the end, I am simply being prepared because 10 bolts blow.

teke184

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maybe i misread....but didn't you list 2 cams...both 233/239...but one was 112 the other was 113?

in my experience, there is very little difference in how the cam idles when going from 112 to 114...very slight
so it would be even harder to notice going from 112 to 113

like i said...there is a slight diff, but nothing earthshattering.



my comment on the sound of the exhaust and "straight pipes" is directed at that vette. they are dual exhaust stock. and i'd be willing to bet that vette didn't have any mufflers..so it was straight piped. hence the cackeling, popcorn like sound.

its much more noticable with true duals....perticularly with no mufflers.

to give an idea of what mufflers can do to the sound of a car:

heres the car with the Xpipe before mufflers


and the same day and camera position with the mufflers slipped on for comparison. it almost sounds TOO quiet..but really it still wakes up the neighboors. its just that the straight pipes were earsplitting loud

Johnnystock

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About the sound, idle speed has a big role too in the story...The lower it goes the more ''popcornish'' it gets. That vette has a MT1x which is a fairly small cam compare to your 233/239. Must have a low idle and straight pipes.

Check out before buying used stuff on a cam swap; Texas speed is offering the package for 589$...which is cheaper than buying used cam and getting new pushrods and spring kit after..just a thought. I'm in the same boat..

RiceEaterZ

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I misread there sorry Teke184, It was about 4am when I posted, Yes that is correct I listed two the 113 was my last choice as it has 30k miles on it and costs the same as the cherry 112 I just payed for, Thank you for clarifying and providing consistent helpful information Oh Ok cool I missed that part about the vette just figured it had to do with duals, I will prob. never be running uncorked straight pipes around here I've already been threatened with a noise violation.... rookie cop. Thank Ya'll for your definitely Helpful Information, I hope that my Number 2 choice for my first cam suits me well, if not it'll be for sale here this summer and New TSP Torquer it is!! to JohnnyStock:
That is good to know, I am not fond of low Idle, bogging=the suck. I did want that package from Texas Speed too But Unfortunately I don't have enough for everything right now, I jumped on the lightly used cam for a good deal it's my first used product ever purchased *excluding car obv. since they don't make them anymore* I always insist on new. I will be buying the supporting rods and springs at a later date unless I stumble upon something good, I am def. wanting to go new springs/rods but if a speed shop has a fairly new swap out I might just take it.

RiceEaterZ

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Oh Yeah and Teke184: Clean Setup BRo! Sounds good :Thumbsup: