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Old 04-21-2009, 09:56 PM
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i have a ls1 im doing heads and cam for my brother he will be spraying a little nitrous but wants the most power he can get all motor his heads are Patriot Performance stage 3 he has a fast 92/92 the motor has all boltons just need peoples opinion of which one to use and what lobe seperation to do this stuff confuses me lol let me know what you think thanks
Old 04-21-2009, 10:43 PM
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ok im trying to stay away from fly cutting just want a cam that makes power with these heads and i hear about these cams all the time
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Talk to Patrick G.
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Go with the MS3 cam. Makes great power N/A & does well with spray. I personally think the MS4 is overated!

As TLUZLS1 said. Pm Patrick. All of his cams make great power!
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I picked up a total of 88 rwhp with just the cam, it dynoed 318 before the cam 409 after. With the Magic Stick 3
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bigger cams sound nasty and will usually make a lil more peak power then smaller cams, but smaller cams can perform just as good as some of the bigger cams.. my car has an ms3 (was in there when i baught it) and i do like it!
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Ms4 dynoed 6hp less than the ms3 on the same engine. But the ms4 picked up 40 horses on spray using the same 150 shot as the ms3 on the same motor.
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ok this is all good now what about this new cam they just came out with called the POLLUTOR do yall think that cam will be better it made mnore power then the MS3 and MS$ and more power with spray just never heard of this cam
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Originally Posted by ragu1585
bigger cams sound nasty and will usually make a lil more peak power then smaller cams, but smaller cams can perform just as good as some of the bigger cams.. my car has an ms3 (was in there when i baught it) and i do like it!
mike's right! i'm making 390 on motor with a cam only ls1 through a stalled automatic with a .575 lift cam! it would easily be over 400 if i had a 6 speed. there's no 'curve' to the power curve on nitrous either, it makes peak hp all the way from 3500 to 6500 rpm
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What are you wanting to do with the car? Is it a daily driver, or being devoted to an all race setup? What tranny, gearing, etc? What bolt ons mods do you have? All these questions, and more, need to be answered before we can recommend you a camshaft. The Magic Sticks are not for everyone!
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just FYI my buddy popped his motor using a MS4 without checking clearance.... Piston definitely hit a valve.
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if its installed wrong, that will happen
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Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed
What are you wanting to do with the car? Is it a daily driver, or being devoted to an all race setup? What tranny, gearing, etc? What bolt ons mods do you have? All these questions, and more, need to be answered before we can recommend you a camshaft. The Magic Sticks are not for everyone!
my brother wants a powerful street car all motor with alittle bit of nitrous \he has a fast 92/92 hooker long tubes slp cold air basically all boltons he has a built 6 speed with a spec stage 3 plus clutch rear end has 373 gears. So thats why i was thinking the MS3 thats why im asking yall
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Originally Posted by SiL3NtXWS6
just FYI my buddy popped his motor using a MS4 without checking clearance.... Piston definitely hit a valve.
Key statement in bold. I and many other installers recommend anything above 230ish duration camshafts to be checked. It's not really hard to do, and the extra tools required probably cost less than $50, which I'd imagine is a little less than fixing a motor that went unchecked.
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i'm with SEB.. go with the MS3... i like it a lot more than the MS4...
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GET A CUSTOM GRIND!! It will benefit what all is done and make the most power n/a and on the bottle and will best suit your needs!
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go with ms3 thats the cam i want when i build my setup

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I love my MS3 verry happy with it I made 417hp and 399 tq with just simple bolt ons and stock ls6 intake its my DD



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